EVE General Discussion

you can always hangout in your starter school for a while. some of them have stuff on and they have the advantage of not having to worry about wardecs, so folks can PvP or carebear or both.

the major downside is that low is tricky.

By what you just said "OH NO A WARDEC EVERYONE LOG OFF YOU WILL DIE."

You just stated that it is PvP that is scaring off noobs.

But in reality it is the fact that they have to have patience in this game that scares off most people. Most people in MMOs now are used to putting in a solid weekends hard work and being half way to the endgame content these days.

Here's the wiki First Days in Space from the official eve wiki.







So there it is. Basically people can't even be bothered to read page 1 of the manual before playing and so trust everything their first corp says.

You can even SUBMIT A TICKET lol. "Hey GMs, my corp says I have to mine and lowsec is bad. Is it true?". You can submit that.

People just tilting at windmills again, bashing carebears. Yawwwwwn.

It's not even stealth. It was decloaked some time ago.

Trolling for trolling sake, makes you a dull boy.

That's exactly the kind of idiotic **** that we're talking about. You say that like it's true to a new player and he doesn't know that you are completely full of crap. He'll just assume that you are more experienced and must know what you are talking about. So he'll stick to his highsec carebearing ways, and either quit from boredom or pass this kind of **** along to the next noob, or both, and the cycle will continue.

Yes, a new player who moves to lowsec will lose ships. As will an older player who moves to lowsec. Losing ships is a part of this game no matter how you look at it. A new player who heads right out to lowsec and starts losing ships and getting in fights is going to have a lot more fun, though, than one who keeps on shooting those red crosses and rocks and listening to fools like you. And lowsec is just one example of the many options open to the liberated rookie.

But I like carebear corps. Lots of pretty blue targets.

A new player can not afford to lose ships on a regular a basis. An older player has the ISK

Now much ISK do you think a new player has after two weeks?

Shouldn't you try not to contradict your self so quickly?


Go tell a new player to run Incursions when they are one month old. There are groups that run them as a profession... ask them if you don't need some skill and certain types of ships.

Personally i feel like pirates have been the largest contribution to the existance of carebears. Its true that many of them are there simply because they don't like or enjoy the elements of the game that other area provide, such as PvP. You'll never change these players minds. But others that start out in EvE face a considerable hurdle, both in experience and knowledge, to truely get a foothold into the game. Pirates have been so successful in lowsec, at preying upon such players, that they've turned it into a wasteland. The risk of traveling to such an area for these players simply does not match up to the rewards. They're is little incentive to risk facing opponents of superior PvP experience, when compared to what they can gain from the safety of highsec. Its true that some sneak through the cracks, join null or another experienced corp and become experienced and love the game. But others see no alternative to highsec. Everywhere else only offers a swift death, mostly to harvest their tears.

This is why i laugh when i see pirates spouting their highsec-hating rhetoric. They just can't understand why those highsec players aren't throwing themselves into their waiting death-camps. Afterall, everyone should play EvE for exactly the same reason they do!

Worse still, with the stagnation of lowsec, many of these pirates have moved into highsec ganking, furthering the problem and hampering newer players natural progression to the other areas of the game. Why risk the dangers of lowsec when the area that is already supposedly high-security is challenging in itself?

In my opinion, the idea floated a while back regarding scaling gateguns for lowsec, in addition to boosted lowsec resources, would help to reinvigorate this area. Not only would it encourage carebears and newer players to enter lowsec for the increased resources, the scaling gateguns would effectively let them "get a foot in the door", without being immediately OMGWTFPWNED by a gatecamp. This is turn leads to more targets for pirates! Its literally a win, win.

The only issue is that pirates would have to actually scan down and hunt the targets in system, instead of just sitting on a gate while their targets lemming-through single-file. They seemed to have a MASSIVE issue with this, when the idea was floated a while back, whilst simultaneously being completely unable to justify WHY. Well, its because they didn't want to lose their easy-mode.

TLDR: In summary, boost lowsec resources, add scaling gateguns = more carebears risking their lives for profit = more carebears becoming not-carebears.