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carebears are scaring off noobs with boredom.

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Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2013-04-07 20:46:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Because it's very commonly uninformed.

Not eating peas because green meat gives you brain cancer is not a valid choice — at best, it's just nonsensical; at worst, it's self-deception.


The original quote was in part..."5 hour mining ops, are boring."... and then stating that is why they quit. I know players who like it. Enjoy it. Log on just to do it.
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#62 - 2013-04-07 20:47:54 UTC
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Because it's very commonly uninformed.

Not eating peas because green meat gives you brain cancer is not a valid choice — at best, it's just nonsensical; at worst, it's self-deception.


The original quote was in part..."5 hour mining ops, are boring."... and then stating that is why they quit. I know players who like it. Enjoy it. Log on just to do it.

Yes those people exist. Would you say most human being enjoy that? No. Yet most new eve players are put through that experience.

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Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-04-07 20:48:36 UTC
Yes, lets get rid off all carebears. death to them all!!!
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3 weeks later, CCP files for bankruptcy

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#64 - 2013-04-07 20:49:11 UTC  |  Edited by: EvilweaselSA
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


People confuse the right to have subjective preferences with the right not to be told they're provably wrong about objective issues.
Some people actually like to mine. I don't see it, but they do it.. been doing it for years.

If they enjoy it, who can say otherwise?

mining is an objectively boring activity and the opinion that it is not an objectively boring activity is not an opinion within the relm of equally valid personal preferences; instead, it is the product of a mind that has become conditioned to perform a series of tasks a rat could be trained to do in order for a number to go up, which has somehow become miswired to the pleasure center of the brain

the rat, at least, would require it be rewarded with food pellets
Cryxx Nadoa
Doomheim
#65 - 2013-04-07 20:49:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Cryxx Nadoa
Commander Ted wrote:

Yes those people exist. Would you say most human being enjoy that? No. Yet most new eve players are put through that experience.


And what about new players being put through a PVP experience and leave because of it?


All I hear is still "I don't like it, so it's boring and if you don't think it's boring you're wrong"...really sad state of affairs.
Play EVE, you can anything you like...but if you like something I don't like, you're wrong and a coward...
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2013-04-07 20:50:58 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Like if I say Apple pie is better, and you say cherry pie is better, well, that's just, like, your opinion man...
If I like cherry pie and you like apple... and we both get a choice... then all is good.

If you like to PvP and I like to mine... and we both get our choice... than all is good.

If I like apple, but get stuck with cheery... that isn't good.


People who like to mine aren't quiting because they mine. People who don't want to mine and can't find other choices the do like are leaving.


My opinion.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#67 - 2013-04-07 20:53:00 UTC
That's not the corp fault, that's the individual persons fault. They believed whatever a corp said and didn't question it, got bored, didn't use their own initiative to find out other game activities. That's their fault.
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#68 - 2013-04-07 20:54:18 UTC
Cryxx Nadoa wrote:


And what about new players being put through a PVP experience and leave because of it?


Im trying to think of anyone I have ever met who quit the game over a rifter. Especially since goonswarm gives out rifters fully fit for free.

Secondly if a player doesn't want to fight or loose their **** they should be prompted.
Go sit in recruitment chat and look for a corporation looking to train newbies, based in highsec, with level 4 mission access, and does pvp ops. You will find one. Then look up that corporations killboard and notice that they likely don't shoot anything.

If a player enters a nullsec corporation or a competent high sec one they will likely have the option of mining or fighting.

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Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#69 - 2013-04-07 20:55:10 UTC
Polaris Sagan wrote:


There's more to EVE than just shooting players.


Right you are! You can Extort, Ransom, Scam, Intimidate, Troll, Belittle, Slaughter, and above all collect Tears! So what are you waiting for!? Visit your local low sec Pirate Recruitment Center and turn those lasers on ships instead of rocks! Pirate

And hey! There's always a little down time so pop open a cold one, grab a couple catalyst's with buddies and relax as you sail the space lanes bombing miners for relaxation. *sips beer* ahh.... another Hulk and another beer. Life IS good! Cool
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#70 - 2013-04-07 20:55:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
The original quote was
…an example. The point remains the same: tons of newbies are not allowed to form their own opinions because they get one shoved down their throats by people often aren't particularly well-informed about the game to begin with.

The choice these newbies make is not valid because it's not a choice at all — just a unwitting perpetuation of a lie that presumes that there is no choice.

Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
If I like cherry pie and you like apple... and we both get a choice... then all is good.

If you like to PvP and I like to mine... and we both get our choice... than all is good.

If I like apple, but get stuck with cheery... that isn't good.
Good for you. Why didn't you address the actual point in that post: that you don't know apple from cherry but say that you like one over the other because you're opposed to animal cruelty…

Cryxx Nadoa wrote:
And what about new players being put through a PVP experience and leave because of it?
They probably made the right choice, since they found out this wasn't the game for them, and they were lucky enough to find out early on so they didn't start sliding down the into ye old pit of sunk-cost-fallacies.
Cryxx Nadoa
Doomheim
#71 - 2013-04-07 20:55:53 UTC
Besides, if you go through the tutorials (which you should as a new player) they show you all the things you can do in EVE...theres no excuse for not trying out these other things.
You join a high sec mining corp, find out "hmm mining isn't so fun for me" you leave the corp "hey wait, didn't the tutorial say something about exploration, maybe I should try that".

Problem solved...new player stays in the game...it's not that hard and it's got nothing to do with carebears.
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#72 - 2013-04-07 20:56:20 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
That's not the corp fault, that's the individual persons fault. They believed whatever a corp said and didn't question it, got bored, didn't use their own initiative to find out other game activities. That's their fault.


No its not, you were lied to. Why would you question it? "Yea they shoot things I guess that sounds legit." "Oh so shooting things is a one sided gangrape, i guess im done here." You now have no reason to expect anything else from this game. I don't blame people who quit after their first shot because who wants to invest another 10 hours to try again?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2013-04-07 20:56:30 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:

Yes those people exist. Would you say most human being enjoy that? No. Yet most new eve players are put through that experience.

I don't mine any more. It was seven weeks on the path to make ISK... to run L4s. Which financed my Amarr station trading, which backed up my lowsec PI adventures, which are funding my move into 0.0.

I didn't enjoy mine after the first day or two, nor did the excitement of running missions last long for me.

The other option were less preferable.

Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#74 - 2013-04-07 20:57:12 UTC
Cryxx Nadoa wrote:
Besides, if you go through the tutorials (which you should as a new player) they show you all the things you can do in EVE...theres no excuse for not trying out these other things.
You join a high sec mining corp, find out "hmm mining isn't so fun for me" you leave the corp "hey wait, didn't the tutorial say something about exploration, maybe I should try that".

Problem solved...new player stays in the game...it's not that hard and it's got nothing to do with carebears.


Move around the little spheres in some magic way and then shoot some red boxes with a high likelihood to find nothing. GRIPPING GAMEPLAY.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#75 - 2013-04-07 20:57:36 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
That's not the corp fault, that's the individual persons fault. They believed whatever a corp said and didn't question it, got bored, didn't use their own initiative to find out other game activities. That's their fault.


No its not, you were lied to. Why would you question it? "Yea they shoot things I guess that sounds legit." "Oh so shooting things is a one sided gangrape, i guess im done here." You now have no reason to expect anything else from this game. I don't blame people who quit after their first shot because who wants to invest another 10 hours to try again?


Sounds like a Sheeple in a trust-all-authority mindset. They were gonna fail this game anyway so no loss.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#76 - 2013-04-07 21:00:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Skeln Thargensen
Cryxx Nadoa wrote:
And what about new players being put through a PVP experience and leave because of it?


this is true. my first and only roam to date was in null sec with a fleet of 50 starter school members.

it was pretty cool 'cos the FC knew what he was doing and it was a learning experience but basically as a noob you're flying tackle and getting one-shotted. then you get podded trying to dock to ship up again. it didn't make me want to quit but i decided to take my time before jumping in the deep end again.

I mean, it;s not really the fact that i'm losing more that I didn't understand why I'm dying. I think that's probably the case with most new players.

forums.  serious business.
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#77 - 2013-04-07 21:00:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:


Sounds like a Sheeple in a trust-all-authority mindset. They were gonna fail this game anyway so no loss.



Ugh

We are talking about a video game here.

In a single player game I play for 3 hours, get bored, then get told I have to play another 3 to get to the good part.
No sane person would bother.

Now we are talking about a video game where you spent 10 hours to a few weeks bored, then get told you have to spend even MORE time to get to the good part.

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Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2013-04-07 21:01:05 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
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mining is an objectively boring activity and the opinion that...
Here it is... in my opinion...Eve the game has large parts of it that are boring.

It is the social interaction in this game that makes all its part shine. Mining ops in many Corp are just that social events.
Cryxx Nadoa
Doomheim
#79 - 2013-04-07 21:01:07 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:


Move around the little spheres in some magic way and then shoot some red boxes with a high likelihood to find nothing. GRIPPING GAMEPLAY.


I get a disturbing feeling that only what you say is the right answer in this regard.
I know it may be difficult, being so awsome and extremely right that you are, but just try to imagine other people having fun in other ways than you...it may hurt, but try!
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#80 - 2013-04-07 21:01:41 UTC
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
...
mining is an objectively boring activity and the opinion that...
Here it is... in my opinion...Eve the game has large parts of it that are boring.

It is the social interaction in this game that makes all its part shine. Mining ops in many Corp are just that social events.




To a new player do you really wanna hang out with a bunch of neckbeards talk about **** while you watch a laser shoot a rock?

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