Jita Park Speakers Corner

Now I understand why someone made the wake up next to mittani thread, With you finding people who are of no consequence adorable. I usually went for people with low self-esteem.

I think you missed the subtley of Grumpy's (my) post. By virtue of the fact that you can see and have quoted them to be null sec interests. You have therefore helped in identifying the neglet then afforded to other aspects of the game not of interest.

You only have to look at the CSM minutes in brief to see that null gets a focus, even its own chapter in the most recent versions. Whereas if you took the time to read the other points, they are predominantly all user interests or have a focus supporting the interests of certain null sec alliances.

As such the representation afforded is blinkered to self interest, which The Mittani has gone on record is his stance. It is this position of neglet to the other players that is what I'm suggesting is a clear issue.

I have a view that "passions" IG may be obviosuly directing his effectiveness on the Council as a result.

This is his view, that he represents those interests, I have an alternative view that you try to represent all and accomodate numerous playstyles to afford the benefit of EvE as a council member. Which is achievable without him having to endanger his own position IG. If anything having this obvious stance simply supports the argument of selfish interest and neglet.

That's kind of a weird argument.
Yes, I can see that these changes would impact in some way onto a null-sec alliance. Out of a list of 50 other changes that affect other parts of the game and other people. I can go down the list and give you the ones that would impact on high-sec and low-sec users if you'd like. I'm sure I can drum out a good couple.

Would you be happier if low-sec had it's own header for discussion pieces? I can see the logic behind it, that before hand null-sec didn't have any minute meetings header of it's own and that it is because of Mittani that such things happened. Sadly I can't see what affiliations CSM 5 had in terms of null-sec and things, I'll have a more detailed look when I get back from work.

Another good point that Mittani makes in his candidate post:



So the chairman has no real power within the CSM, he cannot Vito or perform any other action you might assume from a chairman of a council. Yet the only 'power' it holds is through the name, the other CSMs could vote against any of his actions that they thought were wrong. Not forgetting that CCP don't bend over for the CSM, they never have done and never will. If CSM 8 (Which I'll be chairing, totally), tells CCP that high-sec needs a new orca style ship without any evidence or provocation then nothing will happen. Oddly, The Mittani does not hold all the balls.

Your view is not alternate at all, most if not all of the people who vote hold the view that the CSM should be able to talk about and discuss views outside of their particular experiences. However at the same time, surely if they have had 1000+ battles in drakes and can attest to, as well as direct CCP to data regarding, their overpoweredness then why shouldn't he?


Well, now that we both know we are sarcastic I hope we can look out for sarcasm in these posts :p

Yes, I know about the provsions afforded by CCP to stop meta interests and have complete power to absorb from the CSM what they will, it is at least comforting to know about this, it declares it distinclty in the CSM white paper.

But have you considered that time wasted on issues that will be treated in this way could be used more effectively. If these interests are being presented in a deliberate view of focus to certain IG interests, then time has to be wasted arguing or omitting views as a result. Yet if the council members work in a holistic manner and accomodated all interests in a manner in keeping with impartial views, it would make the process easier to accomodate by CCP and largley afford less wasting of precious CCP time to achieve end results for EvE.

Considering some of the contentious points made in the CSM minutes it cleary shows that this ocours even if it doesn't show by whom. So how much of CCP's time is simply wasted having to accomodate discussion but then simply lost due to CCP concerns you have mentioned? I probably won't get an accurate view of that without CCP coroboration which seems very unlikley to get.

At the same time you only have to look at the official CSM process for the provision of vito powers of topics even presented to CCP. They have the luxury to place issues they want addressing whereas others have to get a quorum and get past CSM voting to even been aired. As such it is not suprising that the issues of the CSM reflect selfish interests.

If I was in charge of a large alliance and I could get the members to vote for me, thus ensuring I'm on the board, then I would- in a heart beat, who the f+++k wouldn't?
Further to that, being in charge of a large alliance means lots of members scattered all over EVE right? And it's safe to say that members come back and give feedback on issues like bots, RMT or what ever right? Then surely, you would say to yourself "Screw this, I'm getting on the CSM and doing something about it."

I know I would, so would anyone else that was able to I'm betting.

This thread... LOL

This thread has refuelled the need to kill more miners.

Thanks OP

Pretty sure Mittens if you were to host a debate about Ethics it would be very similar to this satire. (4 lols)

But please I'd love to hear all about your views on "professional" ethics.

Reminder that the King of Space has led our corporation into so much corrupt corruption that the entire alliance income and expense sheet is freely posted for even day-old members to review and question. So corrupt! This gives valuable information to our enemies that would normally require grooming of high-level spies, but that is a small price to pay in the name of TOTAL CORRUPTION.

It just adds to the whole conspiracy theory, DUH!!!!!!