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House Sarum promotes aggressive conquest of Minmatar territories

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Tobias Annages
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-04-07 13:22:43 UTC
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Sarum Prime – In a speech on Mekhios, Royal HeirMerimeth Sarum declared the need to bring an end to the “tepid victories” of the Empyrean War, stating that the “time to bring the Minmatar back to the fold is upon us once again.” Popular minor holders also spoke, some audaciously dismissing the CONCORD Emergency Militia War Powers Act as being incapable of holding “the might of the Empire in its holy mission back.” Many holders also claimed to have the support of the Empress, though no official word from the Imperial Palace has confirmed this. Sarum holders who have supported the war thus far are being promised extensive resources from any conquered systems. Holders who were not so enthused about hostilities with the Minmatar are now pledging support.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-04-07 13:26:18 UTC
Someone's upset that the territory war isn't going the Empire's way right now.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-04-07 14:56:19 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Someone's upset that the territory war isn't going the Empire's way right now.


Anyone would be

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#4 - 2013-04-07 15:11:39 UTC
Tobias Annages wrote:
Popular minor holders also spoke, some audaciously dismissing the CONCORD Emergency Militia War Powers Act as being incapable of holding “the might of the Empire in its holy mission back.”


Like if the EMWPA should even care about "the might of the Empire in its holy mission".
Aidari Flamesight
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-04-07 15:34:18 UTC
Good to hear those cowards are at least talking about fighting back. It's quite difficult to complete the trial by fire part of my requirement for graduation when those slavers run at the first sign of trouble.

"Do not count days, do not count miles, count only the number of slaves you freed."

Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#6 - 2013-04-07 23:45:43 UTC
He is going to find himself sorely disappointed.

First, it is perhaps too easy to speak so boldly when one does not actually share any borders with the enemy. As someone who actually does, we know better.

Second, he is making a grave error in numbers. While the Golden Fleet is vast in both power and numbers, bringing their entirety of it to bear upon a single foe without leaving far too much of our territory unacceptably vulnerable is simply not feasible.

Third, he is confusing this previously mentioned fleet with his own personal assets. That he would simply assume that the Empress would support him, and more importantly lend him access to the vast amount of Amarr Navy assets that he would require for this undertaking, speaks of a foolhardy level of gall.

Fourth, he is not factoring the capsuleer factor into his accounts. The current failure in the Bleak Lands has not been the failure of the Amarr Navy against the Republic Navy, as for the most part they never seem to come into direct contact with each other. Rather it has been entirely due to the actions of the relatively tiny number of capsuleer forces in the area that obviously carry a weight far greater than their small numbers would seem to indicate. It also clear that in this particular area the number of Republic capsuleers outnumber the number of Amarrian capsuleers by a significant margin. That they have received far more backing from their respective government is also obvious to everyone who takes even a cursory glance at their equipment manifests. This combination of the imbalance of power between capsuleer versus conventional navy, further multiplied by the even greater imbalance between Imperial versus Republic capsuleers, and the further complications in that it is quite obvious that the Republic has spent the last several decades designing all of their ships specifically to destroy ours and the we have done nothing to improve our own ships in compensation...

Sarum is walking a path directly into disaster. If the Empire ever wished to launch an attack against the Republic, it should have done so back when the Caldari/Gallente conflict reached it's peak and we could have more safely pulled assets from the Federation border (at least for a little while). Even then we would have only been able to secure a small number of planets at best, and such small victories only serve to instigate the Republic to even greater levels of terrorism against our people - for when it comes to sheer brutality and mindless bloodlust, well... we call them savages for a good reason.

From a purely practical standpoint, then, any military action that can not promise the complete & absolute conquest of the entire Republic in a very short amount of time would be a pyrrhic victory at best. Nor do I imagine the Jove offering us their assistance at any point in the near future, either.

Also, when considering the racist & genocidal "all Amarrians look alike" attitude that the Republic indoctrinates into their people it is not hard to predict that the Amarrians who suffer the most in terrorist reprisals will not even be Sarum's supporters. Instead it will most likely be the the mothers, children and various innocent people of the Faith who are brutally killed by these terrorists simply because they were closer & easier to get to. People such as everyone living in the Ammatar Mandate, for instance.

Thus I daresay that there are those who do not back Sarum, even if only out of enlightened self interest. He will fail and, in his failure, he shall bring reprisals down up us instead of himself. If he truly believes himself to be superior than his enemies then he perhaps he should begin by exercising a modicum of higher intelligence as opposed to primitive chest-thumping for the sake of his own ego.
Liz Todako
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-04-08 01:51:34 UTC
Good one.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-04-08 15:08:40 UTC
Ammatar Devonshire,

Your cowardice burns so very bright.

House Sarum is giving you loyal Imperials a chance to prove yourselves.

You should jump at any opportunity to change your current reputation as a whimpering imbecile.

But you won't.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-04-08 15:19:40 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Ammatar Devonshire,

Your cowardice burns so very bright.

What some call cowardice others call prudence.

The visionaries and idealists are rarely the ones responsible for putting their ideas into practice. That task falls upon the generals and civil servants, who almost universally have a far more realistic view of the situation than those that command them, and upon the soldiers and secretaries who strive underneath them, upon whose efforts the overwhelming majority of responsibility for the practical implementation lies.

Sarum can call for war and glorious Reclaimation all he wants, as can you, and while the undertaking may indeed bring glory - most likely in the form of a spate of noble deaths - it doesn't make it a good idea. Rarely enough do I agree with a wheedling Imperial apologist such as Katherine Devonshire but in this instance her observations are pretty spot-on.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-04-08 15:38:36 UTC
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
...we know better.


Than House Sarum?

A few hundred years as a vassal state and look how uppity you've become! They grow up so fast. Soon you'll be asking to extend your curfew and to stay up past your bedtime, you little rascals. I could just pinch you cheeks, so very cute.

Seriously though, It used to be that an Ammater, in public, accusing their Imperial betters of "primitive chest-thumping" would draw some responses from our good loyalists.

Weather her opinions are right or wrong (they are wrong), is less important than the fact she is making them publicly in contradiction to those above her station. If she were truly loyal she would understand this.







Sabik now, Sabik forever

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#11 - 2013-04-08 16:48:45 UTC
Aidari Flamesight wrote:
Good to hear those cowards are at least talking about fighting back. It's quite difficult to complete the trial by fire part of my requirement for graduation when those slavers run at the first sign of trouble.


As opposed to the Republic Military School which has how many victories under its belt?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-04-08 17:04:27 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Seriously though, It used to be that an Ammater, in public, accusing their Imperial betters of "primitive chest-thumping" would draw some responses from our good loyalists.
Weather her opinions are right or wrong (they are wrong), is less important than the fact she is making them publicly in contradiction to those above her station. If she were truly loyal she would understand this.


Loyalty is not measured in words, but in deeds. So I don't care much what she says, as long as she continues protecting the Empire. It's as simple as that.

As for House Sarum, if it doesn't get an imperial approval from the Empress, then they can call what they want as it won't make a difference. If they do get the approval from the Empress, we'll follow appropriately and join the war. Until the Empress has spoken, then, there isn't much to say or do on this matter.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-04-08 18:48:18 UTC
Sepherim wrote:


As for House Sarum, if it doesn't get an imperial approval from the Empress, then they can call what they want as it won't make a difference. If they do get the approval from the Empress, we'll follow appropriately and join the war. Until the Empress has spoken, then, there isn't much to say or do on this matter.


Merimeth Sarum does not take a Royal sh*t without approval from the Empress.

This is being floated publicly to gauge responses.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Aidari Flamesight
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-04-08 19:30:11 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Aidari Flamesight wrote:
Good to hear those cowards are at least talking about fighting back. It's quite difficult to complete the trial by fire part of my requirement for graduation when those slavers run at the first sign of trouble.


As opposed to the Republic Military School which has how many victories under its belt?


Enough to keep the slaver scum on the run and force them into desperate measures, such as arming slaves and recruiting drop troops from outside the Empire. Us cadets have demonstrated military prowess equal and in odd cases, greater than your veteran soldiers.

I wouldn't be surprised if we encountered suicide troops pretty soon, every time we engage the Amarr they seem just a little more desperate.

"Do not count days, do not count miles, count only the number of slaves you freed."

Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#15 - 2013-04-08 19:42:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Katherine Devonshire
Silas Vitalia wrote:
A few hundred years as a vassal state and look how uppity you've become!


Actually I am Amarrian. I emmigrated to the Ammatar Mandate around thirty years ago. You, on the other hand, are little more than a Blood Raider. You should consider yourself blessed that I even deign to speak to you at all.


Silas Vitalia wrote:
Seriously though, It used to be that an Ammater, in public, accusing their Imperial betters of "primitive chest-thumping" would draw some responses from our good loyalists.


It is spelled "Ammatar." Was it too much effort to look slightly to the left to get even one thing in your little rant correct? What am I saying? Of course it was! Silly me.


Silas Vitalia wrote:
Weather her opinions are right or wrong (they are wrong), is less important than the fact she is making them publicly in contradiction to those above her station. If she were truly loyal she would understand this.


It is "whether," not "weather" and if you had half as much brains as delusions of grandeur then you would have done your homework first and realized that I am not speaking above my station in the least.

"Imbecile" indeed.

If you & your heretic brethren want to seek your own deaths at the hands of the Republic then by all mean do so, I will not object. The idea of watching blood thirsty barbarians fighting against blood drinking savages does not trouble me in the least.

In the mean time... the Ammatar Navy shall be protecting our borders from both the likes of the Republic and the likes of your kind as well.

Aidari Flamesight wrote:
Enough to keep the slaver scum on the run and force them into desperate measures, such as arming slaves and recruiting drop troops from outside the Empire.


There is nothing new or desperate about using Kameiras, and if you had taken a moment to study... oh never mind. I forget that Valklears such as yourself are not selected for their cultural knowledge.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-04-08 20:00:04 UTC
It wasn't much effort to derail your response to focus on presentation rather than substance.

If my translator is coming in choppy I'm sure we can debug things a bit.

If you'd like to respond to any of the concepts I've presented now would be a good time.

Mainly why you feel qualified as an Imperial loyalist to criticize one of the Royal Houses so harshly in a public forum viewed by your enemies.

And Merimeth Sarum is about as far above your station as it is possible to be in this existence.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#17 - 2013-04-08 20:31:42 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Ammatar Devonshire,

Your cowardice burns so very bright.

House Sarum is giving you loyal Imperials a chance to prove yourselves.

You should jump at any opportunity to change your current reputation as a whimpering imbecile.

But you won't.



Some might say, better a burning cowardice than literally setting ourselves on fire.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2013-04-08 21:26:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Aidari Flamesight wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Aidari Flamesight wrote:
Good to hear those cowards are at least talking about fighting back. It's quite difficult to complete the trial by fire part of my requirement for graduation when those slavers run at the first sign of trouble.


As opposed to the Republic Military School which has how many victories under its belt?


Enough to keep the slaver scum on the run and force them into desperate measures, such as arming slaves and recruiting drop troops from outside the Empire. Us cadets have demonstrated military prowess equal and in odd cases, greater than your veteran soldiers.

I wouldn't be surprised if we encountered suicide troops pretty soon, every time we engage the Amarr they seem just a little more desperate.


So all of the Amarr Empire forces run away at the first sign of trouble but will soon be throwing away their lives in suicide attacks?

I don't think that you understand psychology quite as well as you think.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

BloodBird
The Crucible.
#19 - 2013-04-08 21:36:09 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:


So all of the Amarr Empire forces run away at the first sign of trouble but will soon be throwing away their lives in suicide attacks?

I don't think that you understand psychology quite as well as you think.



Ignore the braggart, will you? If you are going to answer to every single Matari that chest-beats about the Empire's supposed impotence... well, you do have a havbit of doing so. Can't blame you for that one.

Pilot Flamesight, may I sugjest you spend less time demeaning yourself and more time fighting or looking to do so? This behaviour does not help your cause. Joining with the Minmatar militia on the other hand might make your search for Imperial combatant easier.
Aidari Flamesight
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-04-09 03:08:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidari Flamesight
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:


There is nothing new or desperate about using Kameiras, and if you had taken a moment to study... oh never mind. I forget that Valklears such as yourself are not selected for their cultural knowledge.


It is quite pathetic how a nation can boast racial superiority, and yet rely on other races in order to get by. Kameiras are just another example of how Amarrians struggle against their competitors when put on an equal playing field.

You appear to be mistaken, I am not a Valklear. Even still, I wouldn't be so smug to look down upon them. The Federation locks it's dissidents up away from society where they receive free room and board and drain the resources of the government. The State sends it's undesirables away and makes them somebody elses problem. The Empire simply has them executed or enslaved, an even worse fate.

Our Republic on the other hand chooses to see where each member of society can fit in best, those who have been selected to be Valklears, who are adept at violence and brutality are now serving their country.

Rodj Blake wrote:


So all of the Amarr Empire forces run away at the first sign of trouble but will soon be throwing away their lives in suicide attacks?

I don't think that you understand psychology quite as well as you think.


I understand psychology quite well actually. I received high marks in the on my exams regarding psychological warfare actually.

It's simple, the Amarr are cowards, cowards run at the first sign of trouble. On the other hand, suicide is the coward's way out. It wouldn't be hard for Amarrian high command to convince their troops that blowing themselves up and taking a few of us with them would get them a special place with their God.

BloodBird wrote:



Pilot Flamesight, may I sugjest you spend less time demeaning yourself and more time fighting or looking to do so? This behaviour does not help your cause. Joining with the Minmatar militia on the other hand might make your search for Imperial combatant easier.


Part of the reason for the Minmatar Military's superiority over the years is that we don't merely send our cadets in after a set period of schooling and training. We have to prove ourselves on the battlefield first, at least those of us striving for higher ranking positions do.

I could take up your advice and join the militia now, though I'd remain a grunt as a result. I'd much rather lead a special operations unit.

"Do not count days, do not count miles, count only the number of slaves you freed."

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