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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#21 - 2013-04-08 03:41:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Krrunch wrote:

That's something I've been wondering about. If I go with a AMD/ATI APU do I need to purchase a graphics card on top of that? It seems like their APU thing kinda removes the need for a video card unless you want top notch graphics, which I've never really needed in Eve, it's spreadsheets in space ;)


That's why I suggested the A8-5600, its GPU is better, and it's a quad instead of dual core. You probably could expect to get about 2 years casual gaming out of it.

You don't have to purchase a separate video card, but you can later as an upgrade should you ever need it, and if you buy the right ATI card, it will bind/combine with the existing GPU like a SLI setup.

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Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-04-08 03:42:33 UTC
Krrunch wrote:
Zeko Rena wrote:
Quote:
1. I might spend that much, but if I do it wont be right now, and it will only be because I have to to get what I want out of the PC.
2. I like consoles, they're simple and great for casual gaming.


To be honest to really get the most out of EVE you will need to at least build something semi decent, especially to keep it future proof as EVE develops, if you are not prepared (or able) to do that, then just buy Dust on PS3 and give up on EVE Cry


While I'd like to think your advice was solid, the PC I linked in the OP is far better than the laptop I'm currently using, and honestly it's doing better than expected for a cheap laptop. Now you might be right, with the next graphics update the PC I'm looking at might be left behind again, but how soon is CCP really planning for that? It took them forever to update the graphics the first time, and it's honestly not needed.

However, I did play Dust on a friends PS3, which made me go out and buy one. So I got that going for me already lol.

Montevius Williams wrote:


I wouldnt go that far. I had a GTS 460 that was able to run EVE on max settings with decent frame rates. I could even do some limited multiboxing with it. EVE is not a graphically intnesive game that will eat a lot of your PC resources, but if you want to future proof, you're going to need to do better tha nthe 200 dollar PC in the OP.

And OP, If you dont want to spend the money on the i5, use the saved money on a great graphcs card. Its the most important item in a gaming PC. Just make sure the rest of your componets can support that GPU.


That's something I've been wondering about. If I go with a AMD/ATI APU do I need to purchase a graphics card on top of that? It seems like their APU thing kinda removes the need for a video card unless you want top notch graphics, which I've never really needed in Eve, it's spreadsheets in space ;)


Yes, for gaming, you want the graphics card and the Vram it comes with.

And while EVE is spreadsheets in space, it's got some stunning vistas. Some of the best in gaming in my opinion.

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Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
#23 - 2013-04-08 03:43:52 UTC
Quote:
While I'd like to think your advice was solid, the PC I linked in the OP is far better than the laptop I'm currently using, and honestly it's doing better than expected for a cheap laptop. Now you might be right, with the next graphics update the PC I'm looking at might be left behind again, but how soon is CCP really planning for that? It took them forever to update the graphics the first time, and it's honestly not needed.

However, I did play Dust on a friends PS3, which made me go out and buy one. So I got that going for me already lol.


To be honest, hard to say, have been hearing whispers and rumors of a lighting overhaul sometime in the future and then there is talk about tessellation, both which could potentially add to the requirements of running EVE.

Perhaps hold off on anything serious until after Fanfest this year, there could be some big details about an upcoming graphics update during Fanfest which could at least give you some idea, would suck if you buy something only to find out you are going to have to upgrade it quite soon after.

Glad to hear that you have a PS3 ready for Dust though Big smile
Krrunch
Orbital Manufacturing Services
#24 - 2013-04-08 04:19:27 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Krrunch wrote:

That's something I've been wondering about. If I go with a AMD/ATI APU do I need to purchase a graphics card on top of that? It seems like their APU thing kinda removes the need for a video card unless you want top notch graphics, which I've never really needed in Eve, it's spreadsheets in space ;)


That's why I suggested the A8-5600, its GPU is better, and it's a quad instead of dual core. You probably could expect to get about 2 years casual gaming out of it.

You don't have to purchase a separate video card, but you can later as an upgrade should you ever need it, and if you buy the right ATI card, it will bind/combine with the existing GPU like a SLI setup.


What would be the advantage of a quad core over a dual core for eve? I never really learned about the multicore processors.

If the mobo, cpu/apu/whatever, and ram will be sufficient for awhile, I wouldn't be opposed to getting this setup soon knowing that I will have to purchase a higher end video card in a year or two. That would be ideal actually. What I would like to avoid is having to purchase a whole new tower again in a couple years. I guess the best way to say it is I'm looking for something on a budget that will be a good base and upgradeable if needed.

Zeko Rena wrote:


To be honest, hard to say, have been hearing whispers and rumors of a lighting overhaul sometime in the future and then there is talk about tessellation, both which could potentially add to the requirements of running EVE.

Perhaps hold off on anything serious until after Fanfest this year, there could be some big details about an upcoming graphics update during Fanfest which could at least give you some idea, would suck if you buy something only to find out you are going to have to upgrade it quite soon after.

Glad to hear that you have a PS3 ready for Dust though Big smile


When is fanfest? I think it would be silly to upgrade the graphics so soon though.

Although, this cheaper PC is me holding off on something "serious". When I built my last desktop it was no slouch at the time, and I'd like to know that my next desktop will last me awhile as well. The one I linked I doubt would last me as long as the other one did, but I think it should still give me a decent life span. I might be holding off on this desktop until around my birthday in June anyways, might be willing to spend a bit more cash on it around then if I really need to.
Osiris Andras
Intergalactic Space Maoris
#25 - 2013-04-08 04:39:22 UTC
OP, I can't check that list right now but I built my own very high end gaming rig in January so I can offer pointers:


Build your own - don't pay more than you should for a pre-built, and definately don't go for a "label" (Alienware or god forbid: Apple)



i7 3770K if the best value high-end processor at the moment. That said, to run EVE nicely, a good i5 or lower-end i7 will set you right. My personal preference is intel over AMD. AMD used to be good value but imo can't beat intel at the moment.

Mobo - just get something to suit your processor, and can fit enough RAM to be happy with.

RAM - 8GB would be a min, 16GB is nice to have. Price difference in RAM isn't that much since you don't need to worry about speed unless you're an enthusiast. Make sure it's dual-channel to fit with your mobo and processor if you go with a new i7 (tri-channel for original i7s - I don't reccommend this - it's what I used to have)


HDD - Again - doesn't really matter. If you want a nice speed boost on start-up and game launching get a 240GB SSD and put the OS and a few key games on it.


GPU - the biggest question. Again, Shader3 for EVE. I personally like nVidia. GTX680s (iirc) are pretty good.

Don't forget 64-bit windows.


Gonna stoke my e-peen here. My rig:
i7 3770K, ASRock Formula, 32GB platinum RAM, 520GB and 240GB intel SSD, 1TB WD Black, 2x GTX680 4GB, Xonar, and a 1kW platinum rated PSU. Squeezed into a Thermaltake Level 10 Limited Edition case


I wont reveal how much it cost.... cos it's a lot.... way more than is needed to play eve, even multi-boxing three accounts on three screens.
N1G
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-04-08 05:48:30 UTC
EVE is a cpu and RAM whore(woman who sells herself for money), especially RAM
Corp 5py
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-04-08 10:40:27 UTC
N1G wrote:
EVE is a cpu and RAM *****(woman who sells herself for money), especially RAM

Confirming.



I haz the flowing config:
I5 3570k OC to 4.4 Ghz
8 gb ram DDR3 @ 2133 MHZ
A nvidia card not worth mentioning (GTX 550ti)

And in large scale battles (500-600 men) I have to turn off brackets, drone models, run in fullscreen and other stuff if I want to stay at 50-60 fps. And no, video card is not the bottleneck cuz the thing doesn't even get srsly warm during all this...
Krrunch
Orbital Manufacturing Services
#28 - 2013-04-08 17:34:19 UTC
Corp 5py wrote:
N1G wrote:
EVE is a cpu and RAM *****(woman who sells herself for money), especially RAM

Confirming.



I haz the flowing config:
I5 3570k OC to 4.4 Ghz
8 gb ram DDR3 @ 2133 MHZ
A nvidia card not worth mentioning (GTX 550ti)

And in large scale battles (500-600 men) I have to turn off brackets, drone models, run in fullscreen and other stuff if I want to stay at 50-60 fps. And no, video card is not the bottleneck cuz the thing doesn't even get srsly warm during all this...


I always had all the graphics turned off for fleet battles as well, I don't think you can realistically expect a fleet fight to run smoothly with 100 ships, with ~6 guns each, and ~5 drones each all all firing and repping at the same time on high end graphics. Hell, even CCP's servers have a hard time handling it lol.
Krrunch
Orbital Manufacturing Services
#29 - 2013-04-09 00:08:56 UTC
Well my plans changed a little bit today. I have unused vacation days at work that run out at the end of the month, so since I wont be able to use them by then I will get paid for them. That just went directly into the computer fund, so I will be able to build something a little more spendy without feeling bad.

So here is what I'm looking at now based on what you guys have said.

GIGABYTE GA-H61M-HD2 LGA 1155 Intel H61 HDMI Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000

Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory

PNY VCGGTX650T1XPB GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 Video Card

RAIDMAX HYBRID 2 RX-530SS 530W ATX12V V2.2/ EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Power Supply

Still deciding what I want to do for a harddrive and case.

So what are opinions on this? What I'm thinking is with something like this I might want to get a dual screen setup instead of a single one. Will this do that ok?

Harddrive I'm wondering if I should stick with a regular harddrive or go with a solid state. If I went solid state it would be a fairly small drive, but I don't plan to use this PC for media storage or anything like that. There is plenty of storage between the 2 laptops, my old desktop, my home theater pc, and external back up drives.
Musashi Date
#30 - 2013-04-09 05:20:47 UTC
You might be interested in reading this thread.

The Wis

Thread start.
https://foruhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=200503ms.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=200503

Quote:
Q:So is 30 the most you got to run on a single PC?

Well yes.. But that is only a dual core 1.6GHz with 8GB of Ram and a 2GB video card. If I use my main computer I can do more but I have my clients on there set for max graphics..
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2551141#post2551141

Quote:
The biggest bottleneck for this many clients is the hard drive. so SSD really helps. Then Ram then CPU.

I use for the mining computers SSD drive as the only drive. 90GB refurbish cost me $45.00 and is enough room for windows 7 and eve. But if you are not going to use it for the main drive I would put the eve client and the profiles and the page file on it..

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2551203#post2551203

If I recall correctly, a good rule of thumb is 1 client = 1GB of memory for it to be playable. So 4GB is more easy on the wallet or even 2GB can be possible if you're really cutting corners, for playing with your 2 clients.

Processor-wise, a good dual core can perform well for EvE.. I'd point you to uncle Tom's site for stats and pricing.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-2.html

Same site for grafx cards, you can even save on some 2nd-hand items if you look for em.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-2.html

Last item, the HDD or SSD: the SLOWEST (SATA) SSD is still very fast compared to the fastest mechanical HDD in the market (those enterprise 16,000 RPM models). The idea is to buy a big 4TB HDD(lol, or any big drive to store your big files in) and a cheap 40~60GB SSD as an OS/games drive. Your Windows page file will benefit from the SSD and will translate to an overall better gaming experience.

With my recommendations, you might get away with $450~600. I estimate your latest post to be in around $900~1,200. If you just wanna buy a rig for casual EvE gaming, you really don't need to break the bank for acceptable gameplay. Altho I must admit, with the current slower PC gaming hardware requirements in the past..7~5 years, your i5 and 8GB will probably last you another 5~8 years.

I give my Core2-Duo, 4GB ram, and AMD 4670 another 1~3 years (bought in 2008)...
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-04-09 05:35:17 UTC
Every pc you can buy now can run eve even with only graphics onboard. However is that the best way to play eve perhaps not but you can run eve onl every machine. I think my old amd athlon 3000+ and 3gb ram with 8x agp Sapphire Radeon HD 3850 512MB can run it. That build was almost 7 years ago. So if that system can run eve online well i think every pc can run it. However i dont know if the support the old shader cards so.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-04-09 05:47:31 UTC
I just upgraded from a core2 duo @ 2.2G + a 4650 gpu to this i5 & a 660ti

The stock cooler has been replaced and the only time I really hear anything is when I put a cd/dvd in the drive
it's a pretty sweet chip to use, im glad I bought it

eve with all its settings maxed is stunningly gorgeous ... up till now I couldn't fully realise that Oops
Krrunch
Orbital Manufacturing Services
#33 - 2013-04-09 13:52:58 UTC
Musashi Date wrote:
You might be interested in reading this thread.

The Wis

Thread start.
https://foruhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=200503ms.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=200503

Quote:
Q:So is 30 the most you got to run on a single PC?

Well yes.. But that is only a dual core 1.6GHz with 8GB of Ram and a 2GB video card. If I use my main computer I can do more but I have my clients on there set for max graphics..
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2551141#post2551141

Quote:
The biggest bottleneck for this many clients is the hard drive. so SSD really helps. Then Ram then CPU.

I use for the mining computers SSD drive as the only drive. 90GB refurbish cost me $45.00 and is enough room for windows 7 and eve. But if you are not going to use it for the main drive I would put the eve client and the profiles and the page file on it..

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2551203#post2551203

If I recall correctly, a good rule of thumb is 1 client = 1GB of memory for it to be playable. So 4GB is more easy on the wallet or even 2GB can be possible if you're really cutting corners, for playing with your 2 clients.

Processor-wise, a good dual core can perform well for EvE.. I'd point you to uncle Tom's site for stats and pricing.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-2.html

Same site for grafx cards, you can even save on some 2nd-hand items if you look for em.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-2.html

Last item, the HDD or SSD: the SLOWEST (SATA) SSD is still very fast compared to the fastest mechanical HDD in the market (those enterprise 16,000 RPM models). The idea is to buy a big 4TB HDD(lol, or any big drive to store your big files in) and a cheap 40~60GB SSD as an OS/games drive. Your Windows page file will benefit from the SSD and will translate to an overall better gaming experience.

With my recommendations, you might get away with $450~600. I estimate your latest post to be in around $900~1,200. If you just wanna buy a rig for casual EvE gaming, you really don't need to break the bank for acceptable gameplay. Altho I must admit, with the current slower PC gaming hardware requirements in the past..7~5 years, your i5 and 8GB will probably last you another 5~8 years.

I give my Core2-Duo, 4GB ram, and AMD 4670 another 1~3 years (bought in 2008)...



Actually after I posted last night I got to thinking maybe I went a little overboard and started doing a bit of research into what I was looking at buying. So I went back through newegg and the list of parts I had and started looking to see what I could save a little bit on here and there. Here is where I'm at now, and I know it'll be a little less powerful than what I linked earlier but after what I've been reading I'm confident that it will work for me without a problem.

i3-3220
GTX 650 (non ti)
8gb DDR3 1333
H61 motherboard
430w powersupply
500gb 7200 rpm hd


Now the only thing you have me questioning is the drive. I was looking at the SSD's because I heard they're so much faster, but I don't know much about them so I decided to stick to what I'm used to. Now I wouldn't be opposed to one, and I'd probably get one on the small end with my old hard drive(s) added in for additional space for other things. If you guys could recommend a SSD that could fit Windows, Eve, and maybe a few other things for close to the same price as that WD then I would be happy to get it. Also let me know if there is anything special you have to do with SSD's vs. a regular drive, because like I said, I don't know anything about them really.


Currently as this sits in my shopping cart I'm ready to buy it, I'm just waiting for my vacation pay to come in. Part of the reason I went back and went a little cheaper on the PC itself is because I decided I want to buy dual monitors for this as well. I probably wont go with anything huge, probably just two 20" or so. I can't wait to run both clients on their own screen, that will be convenient as hell lol.
Lucian Cosades
Vox Pantheon
#34 - 2013-04-09 14:36:05 UTC
Disclaimer - I did not read any replies, but they looked scary scrolling past my screen.

TL;DR
http://www.build-gaming-computers.com/
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/

I deleted my entire post waxing nostalgic, so TL;DR is all you get. You're welcome.
Akiyo Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-04-09 14:47:32 UTC
No such thing as a computer that can't run EVE.

No
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-04-09 17:13:32 UTC
APU's for limited applications, sure....gaming.....I'm not sold on them.

Don't ban me, bro!
Musashi Date
#37 - 2013-04-09 17:22:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Musashi Date
Price-wise that ~$60 HDD is something like a 32GB SSD only (if you add $5~10 more you get to the range of 64GB ones). As usual, do a gugels search for items by searching "model type problems" eg. ADATA Premier Pro SP900 problems, read the rave reviews later. If it doesn't have glaring problems and units are performing well enough you will get links about petty problems..

A Win7 directory + EvE installation is.. 20GB + 14GB = 34.. say 40GB but thats too close so a 64GB model is just right.

ADATA XPG SX900 64GB $69.99 (no stocks, bleh)
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-recommendation-benchmark,3269-2.html

ADATA Premier Pro SP900 $64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211601

SSDs are all about the controllers, and these ADATA SSDs are based off the 2nd gen SandForce controllers, ADATA just tweaks around the firmware to give better speed or a slightly larger storage capacity. ADATA's SX900 controller is a bit faster than the SP900, but the latter has been a 'recommended buy' in one of their reviews in January.

edit: no special things for SSD, same SATA power/data cable, same screws and stuff..
edit2: o wait, that H61 doesn't support SATA3 if you're buying into that 6GB/s stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1155
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets
Posta Wifda Mosta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-04-09 18:23:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Posta Wifda Mosta
I would pass on that PC, remember you get what you pay for.

If you get something like this http://www.msi.com/product/nb/GT70-0ND.html you can run like 14 clients on max graphics, the benefit to this is you get yo lose 14 ships at one!
Krrunch
Orbital Manufacturing Services
#39 - 2013-04-09 18:32:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Krrunch
Musashi Date wrote:
Price-wise that ~$60 HDD is something like a 32GB SSD only (if you add $5~10 more you get to the range of 64GB ones). As usual, do a gugels search for items by searching "model type problems" eg. ADATA Premier Pro SP900 problems, read the rave reviews later. If it doesn't have glaring problems and units are performing well enough you will get links about petty problems..

A Win7 directory + EvE installation is.. 20GB + 14GB = 34.. say 40GB but thats too close so a 64GB model is just right.

ADATA XPG SX900 64GB $69.99 (no stocks, bleh)
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-recommendation-benchmark,3269-2.html

ADATA Premier Pro SP900 $64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211601

SSDs are all about the controllers, and these ADATA SSDs are based off the 2nd gen SandForce controllers, ADATA just tweaks around the firmware to give better speed or a slightly larger storage capacity. ADATA's SX900 controller is a bit faster than the SP900, but the latter has been a 'recommended buy' in one of their reviews in January.

edit: no special things for SSD, same SATA power/data cable, same screws and stuff..
edit2: o wait, that H61 doesn't support SATA3 if you're buying into that 6GB/s stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1155
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets


I'll trust you that that's a decent SSD, and I've added it to my cart. I agree that the bump from 32gb to 64gb is worthwhile, I didn't think 32gb would work out well for the application I had intended.

Should I change to a motherboard that supports SATA3 to take full advantage of the speed increase of the SSD? I would think I could find one for a reasonable increase in price.

edit: well that was pretty simple actually, this mobo is only $5 more and is SATA3 compatible. Everything else looks comparable so I'll just go with this.
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