EVE General Discussion

I've run trade window scams on occasions. One of the rarer and more profitable ones is when you manage to trick someone into accepting a trade first, and then change the price before accepting yourself. You can obtain some very expensive items quite cheaply this way.

The thing is, I consider this an exploit. I've no problem using the mechanic while it exists, but after seeing some newbies get taken by it and knowing how demoralizing it is to be "scammed" simply because the UI doesn't function as one would expect, it's time to publicly push for a change.

I recently took on a newbie who got into lowsec exploration. He did a great job learning the ropes and after a month made his first big score: a half-billion isk module. He took it to a trade hub, posted it on the market, and commented in local that he'd listed it under market value. A few minutes later, he was the victim of this scam. He petitioned it and was rebuffed. He filed a bug report and was ignored. Ultimately he decided to quit the game. Not because he'd been scammed--he knew that was a reality when he started--but because the scam was due to a client mechanic that doesn't work properly and that CCP ignores and dismisses as "normal gameplay".

So why do I care? Because CCP is purposely ignoring a broken game mechanic. When you're setting up a trade and you "accept" what you see on the screen, the other person SHOULD NOT be able to modify the deal without your acceptance being revoked. After all, that's what "accept" means. "I accept the terms as I see them" not "I accept unless the other guy decides to revise the terms at the last second, at which point I will be unable to stop the trade at the new terms."

As petitions and bug reports have failed to resolve this issue for those victimized by it (including those I've used it on) I'm taking this public in the hope that CCP will at the very least read and respond to it.

What I'd like to see happen:
- The trade window be made into to what it's supposed to be.
- Failing that, the trade window expressly state that it is NOT a secure method of trading
- OR, CCP publicly state that they don't care when their UI is broken to the point that it costs them subscriptions.

Doesn't the green check mark go away when the other guy changes something in his trade window?

It's not a bug, its to allow changing of the trade terms.

Would you prefer we put more load the server more load on you in effort by having to close and reopen trade windows to adjust terms?

Wow I never use the trade function with people I dont know. Now I know why. That is about the worst example of a trade window I have heard of.

That is pure sloppiness and laziness on CCP's end for trade window to function like this.

Yes.

…so rename it the “exchange window”. vOv

No if you actually understood the issue, it was after an Accept was issued. So yes. Good idea.

I agree with the OP.

I'm fine with scamming the stupid, gullible or inebriated. All fair game.

But being able to scam because of a broken mechanic that is seemingly left in place simply to prove how 'hardcore' this game is, is just a poor decision by lazy devs.

Mr Epeen

Well I see where an informed discussion will go here. But as long as you are having fun Miilla :)

I know CCP removed the learning skill scrolls from the game but this is just ridiculous, Im ok with role playing and all that but just because the game has no learning skills doesnt mean you actually have to stop learning.

*facepalms*