EVE General Discussion

i've never said mining is boring, or that i must do it afk.
in fact, i believe a few posts up i just pointed out that if you're mining ore you just don't go afk.

Obviously the proponents of the AFK mining system are out in force and determined that the status quo be maintained. therefore I will retire from commenting further secure in the knowledge that my point was made. Please continue discussing why AFK mining is good for a vibrant and healthy EVE Online

Okay since you are one of the few npc alts that post decently I'll flesh it out more for you. CCP does not like people quitting, if people quit because it is boring and unfun that gives CCP an incentive to fix it. Mining is already boring and unfun but not to the degree it actively drives people from the game. This is not saying "make mining so bad people quit" so much as it is saying "hey look a gray area, lets fix it and while doing so make mining better."

A fix for AFK mining: mining lasers don't automatically scoop and deposit ore to the ships hold. Instead, they knock small, scoop-able chunks off in random directions that miners manually click, just like loot cans. And the chunks would belong to the miner as well, so grabbing one would add a suspect flag.

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This thread is about "Is AFK mining against the EULA", not "OMG mining is boring" or "CCP please fix mining"

Show me where in this thread it has been stated that AFK mining is good for the economy, or players?

Show me where people are supporting AFK mining.... The question was "Is it allowed", the answer is Yes

i'm not an alt! :( this is, believe it or not, my main character.

ccp don't like people quitting, and that is why they [probably] won't make mining more interactive.

from a personal point of view; if mining requires some form of mini game/quick time event stuff that will pretty much stop me mining with my 3 accounts as i do now because i'm not the octopus man nor do i use third party programs. that means i'll only be able to focus on one miner, so i'll drop my second mining account, that takes me below the threshold of making an orca worth while so i'll drop that pilot too.
poof, down from 3 accounts to 1 account, also without an orca the isk/hour is even lower, so i'll just stop mining all together. it's gone from an "afk activity" to an activity i wouldn't even consider. granted, i am probably not the "average" player, however i doubt i'm the only person like this.

mining isn't boring and unfun. sure mining won't give you the same adrenaline rush i get when trying to scoop and warp away with 500m isk of cargo from a mammoth pilot with more isk than sense but still, mining still has something to offer.

i appreciate mining has room for improvement, the common answers aren't "improvements" they're just dumb repeated ideas to make mining cumbersome and unafkable because apparently not being able to go afk constitutes fun. i don't get that concept but people seem to love it.

the problems with mining are not the mechanics of mining itself. the problems with mining are things like; player corps have 0 to offer you. it's untaxable. it's an activity that's done best solo in an anti social manner. it has nothing to do with the fact that if i go and answer the door my lasers carry on cycling.

edit: another problem with mining is that the ships aren't balanced in the slightest because the rebalance was horrible and don't get me started on that...

Mynnna and Weasilor have expounded on this often when discussing Farms & Fields initiatives. I look forward to this years CSM

This would fix AFK mining, but it wount fix botters, at best it would make botters more detectable by CCP, but since its about AFK mining here goes.

I´ll just do one ship here so lets take the most used.

Now a mackinaw has 450m3 cargohold and 35000m3 orehold, and the ore mined goes into the orehold.

Fixed: Mack has 5000m3 cargohold and 32000m3 orehold and the ore mined goes into cargohold.

This way you can still stay and mine without docking often, but you have to move your ore from cargohold to orehold 8 times

PS. the 5k orehold is so u can do 2 cycles without the modles stopping. (at 4k they will stop mining after 2 cycles) this will give u time to pickup cooffe and to read forums or what ever u need to do, and imo u need to do something else coz mining aint that much of a thrill¨, and some people do mine and play their main at the same time.

Just my 2 cents though.

Edit: This was icehavesting, i didnt realy concider ore mining, but ohh well u get the point anyways :-)

Having a profession that requires you to work hard enough to pay for "free" game time in order to work more is a bottom feeding element that shouldn't belong in the game.

Especially if you are spending more time afk than at the keyboard to accomplish it.

Period.

I'm not saying you can't go afk to use the restroom or whatever brief element, things happen that people cannot control. I myself will tell our roam FC to bounce us around if I need to attend to something.

But having your ore hold define the rate at which you play the game? Might not be an EULA violation, but certainly needs looking at to "fix".

And keep in mind the EULA states at "an accelerated rate" but doesn't define what that rate is. People need to stop assuming it's only defined by cycle times of the lasers.

AFK mining is evil. And should be removed and/or limited.

Any response to "well then do it" I'll refer to minerbumping.com and the corp CODE. for future reference/response.

4 hours is 4 hours, doesn't matter how much time is spent at the keyboard or not. both players spend the exact same amount of time interacting with the game regardless of whether or not they are in front of the keyboard watching the lasers cycle or not.

the guy at the keyboard is "playing" as much eve as the guy not at the keyboard.

weren't there similar whines about amarr ships and structures at one point? i vaguely recall it when i first started playing but i never took much notice since i was in my osprey chewing veld rocks.