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Moving into a WH

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Arthur Hellsing
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#1 - 2013-04-05 05:56:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Hellsing
Was checking WH Masses and moving into a WH with about 10 people seems to be hard. We poked around in WHs before with part of our corp, and taken heavy losses because we didn't really know wtf we were doing. Now we want to take another stab at WHs and actually go live in one for 1-3 months. We want to bring an Orca, a few battleships, and dozens of BC and below. Since we have had some bad losses in the past, we decided to do a light setup in a C2 and then move to a C3 after we get rolling. Is it even possible for us to move that amount of ships into a WH before it collapses? The Orca will take 250mil and battleships are about 100 each. R943 WH to C2 only has a 750mil mass limit. But a A239 WH to lowsec from C2 has a 2bil mass limit. If we find a A239, is the 2bil mass shared from going from low-sec to the WH?


tl;dr- How do we move around 2bil in mass of dozens of different ships into a C2?

One method we have been thinking about is this as well: Ship Packaging
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-04-05 06:03:44 UTC
Umm, move in what you can until the wh collapses. Scan new static. Rinse and repeat?

Aint rocket science.
Arthur Hellsing
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#3 - 2013-04-05 06:17:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Hellsing
Ok, we can do that but it might take a long time, we are a FW corp and cant go into two high sec regions. We are also bringing some ships we don't want to lose, like an Orca.


R943 WH to C2 only has a 750mil mass limit. But a static A239 WH to lowsec from C2 has a 2bil mass limit. If we find a A239, is the 2bil mass shared from going from low-sec to the WH?
^ Is kinda really bugging us. We don't have much WH experience, and were kind of hoping to do everything in one shot.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-04-05 06:51:45 UTC
by far the most commin HS > C2 connections will be through K162s from B274 HS static C2s. theyre a 2bil hole.
pro tip though: if you like stable routes that you can do everything through, WHs are not for you. it just isnt how they work.

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Akinesis
Black Rose Inc.
Black Rose.
#5 - 2013-04-05 08:10:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Akinesis
WH - 2bil mass
- jump Orca into WH
WH - 1.75bil
- Jump 100mil mass BS through
WH - 1.65bil
- Jump Orca back out into LS
WH - 1.4bil

That make sense? The WH has a total mass that decreases whichever way you jump through. Each 'side' doesn't have it's own mass. I think that's what your asking, anyway.

Be warned of the mass variation, though ;)
Slaveofjita
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-04-06 22:11:42 UTC
Not sure what you want to do. you claim you want to be in there for 1-3months but you are scared of the wh collapsing.

You can not move into a wormhole for 1-3 months and not set up a pos, a wormhole connection will collapse in 16hours or so as well so you can not use the same one for months.

honestly sounds like daytripping is for you, get in scan it out and see what what kind of stuff is in there and if it looks safe then farm it and then pull out and wait for a new one.
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Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#7 - 2013-04-06 22:47:26 UTC
You're gonna have to embrace patience and risk-taking, friend. Settling may take you a while, and then finding your groove will take you a while.


You'll get the hang of it, or you won't. Might aswell try and see what works. Move in the essential setup requirements first, and then keep using your static and K1's to keep the move-in going. Eventually, you'll get it all in. Or lose it all. Or both. Never can tell with these sort of things. Good luck.

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Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#8 - 2013-04-06 22:50:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Make best use of the mass too i.e. if your moving everything in and not planning on 2 way trips bring the BCs/battleships in first and the orca in last - aslong as there is some mass left (doesn't have to be the amount or larger of the ship jumping) the last ship will get through even if it collapses the WH behind it. (except the odd time things go wonky).
YuuKnow
The Scope
#9 - 2013-04-07 02:40:47 UTC  |  Edited by: YuuKnow
Just make sure that Orca either has a cloak or is in the force field asap. Its too slow to survive otherwise in the hole and will only be a matter of time before your eaten by sharks.

Also. I've never seen a C2 or even a C3 that was not already occupied by another corp. You'll likely either have to beat the locals out of the hole or look for a C4 (which are more likely to be uninhabitet.

yk
Grawr Hatter
MeowMageddon
#10 - 2013-04-07 06:01:34 UTC
Arthur Hellsing wrote:
Ok, we can do that but it might take a long time, we are a FW corp and cant go into two high sec regions. We are also bringing some ships we don't want to lose, like an Orca.


R943 WH to C2 only has a 750mil mass limit. But a static A239 WH to lowsec from C2 has a 2bil mass limit. If we find a A239, is the 2bil mass shared from going from low-sec to the WH?
^ Is kinda really bugging us. We don't have much WH experience, and were kind of hoping to do everything in one shot.


The bit about 'bringing some ships we don't want to lose' Then don't bring them. Seriously. There are alliances out there that will murder anything that leaves your PoS given the chance and if you have a poor set up, the PoS too. I'm not kidding, seriously. Don't want to lose them, don't bring them.

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-04-07 11:46:28 UTC
SInce you're FW, let me give you a pro-tip. Move the probers in first. Notice that is plural? Yeah. For my personal self I have no less than 4 probers. Myself, my alt, my other alt and a toon that I just threw in there and don't bring up unless I get my main and alts stuck out of the hole. And that's the way pretty much everyone else in my corp operates.

But since you're FW. You want a phased move in. Probers, a hauler, Orca & pos with 1 wk of fuel plus mods + 2 BS's + 4 bubble 100mn AB HIC. Get that POS set up. That's what the hauler is for. Keep that orca away until the FF is up. Send the Orca out to get more mods more fuel stront. If you still have the hole wait for that orca. If not and the next hole you have opens to somewhere you can't travel that's what the 2 BS's and the HIC is for, rolling your static until you find a location you can use. Send BS's through until the hole it critically disrupted. Use the hic on it from there.

Only reason I mention this is it sounds like you want to move everything in even before the POS is setup. Don't. Get the POS setup. Reason is, if someone see's lots of shiny things into an undefended/poorly defended POS, they might just **** cage you and kill your POS. And I never put anything in my pos until I have 2 orca loads worth of defensive mods fuel and stront. Besides, you want to save as much mass on that hole to get the pos setup as quickly as possible.

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