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Official "I Voted for CSM8" Thread

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Signal11th
#301 - 2013-04-15 08:23:20 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Douglas Adams wrote:
“On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people.”

“Odd,” said Arthur, “I thought you said it was a democracy.”

“I did,” said Ford. “It is.”

“So,” said Arthur, hoping he wasn’t sounding ridiculously obtuse, “why don’t the people get rid of the lizards?”

“It honestly doesn’t occur to them,” said Ford. “They’ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they’ve voted in more or less approximates to the government they want.”

“You mean they actually vote for the lizards?”

“Oh yes,” said Ford with a shrug, “of course.”

“But,” said Arthur, going for the big one again, “why?”

“Because if they didn’t vote for a lizard,” said Ford, “the wrong lizard might get in.”

Except people have now gotten so bad in this world, that now they believe that if they don't vote at all, that they are not responsible for the wrong lizard getting in.

This has got to be one of the worst ideas ever thought up by the human race.

If you do not vote, you are just as much to blame as those that voted for the wrong lizard. Any argument against that is purely just people trying to dodge the responsibility of actually making a decision.

So far I have not seen anyone who I recognize to be from Null sec, failing to make a decision, only 1 person from Wormholes but where to the majority seem to come from? Hi-sec. Which then begs the question, are Hi-sec people risk adverse, or incapable of making decisions. They complain when Hi-sec is nerfed at all, but they are to lazy to spend a few minutes every year voting.

The fact that people would put forward the argument that, they have refused to help guide the destiny of this game, so therefore they have the right to complain about the result, is just insane. They have chosen to opt out of this process by not voting, and frankly I see no reason to let them opt in when, those who will represent those who vote is chosen.

CCP Xhagen wrote:
Problem two: representation on the CSM. CCP Veritas pointed out the error in my thinking, what I want is not actually fair representation of ALL EVE players, but of THOSE WHO VOTE (it follows from there that the more people that vote, the better representation we get). The current voting system is sufficient, but there are many vastly better systems out there.


So even CCP Xhagen believes that failure to vote, means no voice. So Vote or STFU for the next 12 months.

We really need a forum tag, that says "I Voted", just so we know who to tell to bugger of with their whining. If you voted and lost so be it, at least you stood up and said "Count me in as part of the Community", rather than hid in a hole at election time only to stick your head out afterwards and complain that it is too bright.


Or you don't vote as an active rebuff against the CSM or the need for it. I haven't voted or will vote partly down to the fact I don't see the need for the CSM or it's validity.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#302 - 2013-04-15 11:13:35 UTC
I voted for the same reason I always vote, so I have the right to moan.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#303 - 2013-04-15 13:44:58 UTC
Signal11th wrote:

Or you don't vote as an active rebuff against the CSM or the need for it. I haven't voted or will vote partly down to the fact I don't see the need for the CSM or it's validity.

Really? Is it that hard to figure out? It's Valid because the owners of the game decreed it to be. They decreed it in reaction to the players raising their voces and making their anger and disgust well known. Now you have a venue by which you can (by proxy) have a seat at the table. Or turn your back on the CSM, and choose to be entirely voiceless - your lack of vote hurts CCP not at all. You'd be more efffective if you held your breath until you get everything you want.

CSM: It's not everything it might be, but which other game company is giving you even that much, eh?

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
Signal11th
#304 - 2013-04-16 08:15:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
silens vesica wrote:
Signal11th wrote:

Or you don't vote as an active rebuff against the CSM or the need for it. I haven't voted or will vote partly down to the fact I don't see the need for the CSM or it's validity.

Really? Is it that hard to figure out? It's Valid because the owners of the game decreed it to be. They decreed it in reaction to the players raising their voces and making their anger and disgust well known. Now you have a venue by which you can (by proxy) have a seat at the table. Or turn your back on the CSM, and choose to be entirely voiceless - your lack of vote hurts CCP not at all. You'd be more efffective if you held your breath until you get everything you want.

CSM: It's not everything it might be, but which other game company is giving you even that much, eh?



Did they? from what I remember as usual with this game that is was a very vocal minority of players as it usually is.
The chiefs whip the plebs into a forum frenzy usually when there is something that usually either

a: stops their income
b: stops them curbstomping a smaller alliance.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Frying Doom
#305 - 2013-04-16 08:51:31 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Signal11th wrote:

Or you don't vote as an active rebuff against the CSM or the need for it. I haven't voted or will vote partly down to the fact I don't see the need for the CSM or it's validity.

Really? Is it that hard to figure out? It's Valid because the owners of the game decreed it to be. They decreed it in reaction to the players raising their voces and making their anger and disgust well known. Now you have a venue by which you can (by proxy) have a seat at the table. Or turn your back on the CSM, and choose to be entirely voiceless - your lack of vote hurts CCP not at all. You'd be more efffective if you held your breath until you get everything you want.

CSM: It's not everything it might be, but which other game company is giving you even that much, eh?



Did they? from what I remember as usual with this game that is was a very vocal minority of players as it usually is.
The chiefs whip the plebs into a forum frenzy usually when there is something that usually either

a: stops their income
b: stops them curbstomping a smaller alliance.

Yes they intelligently use every means at their disposal.

because personally I can think of no movement that ever got anything without making noise.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#306 - 2013-04-16 11:06:08 UTC
Vote people!!!

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me
Frying Doom
#307 - 2013-04-16 11:08:47 UTC
Chitsa Jason wrote:
Vote people!!!

Just over 36 hours left.

And then we stop whining at you




about the CSM elections.Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Seldarine
Resolute Supremacy
#308 - 2013-04-16 11:21:22 UTC
Chitsa Jason wrote:
Vote people!!!


But I cannot find a candidate under that name !
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#309 - 2013-04-16 11:32:35 UTC
Seldarine wrote:
Chitsa Jason wrote:
Vote people!!!


But I cannot find a candidate under that name !


Chitsa meant 'Vote for people! Don't vote for Bots!'

Obviously. Lol

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#310 - 2013-04-16 11:32:38 UTC
Seldarine wrote:
Chitsa Jason wrote:
Vote people!!!


But I cannot find a candidate under that name !

People was excluded from the election together with Abstain.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Frying Doom
#311 - 2013-04-16 11:41:15 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
People was excluded from the election together with Abstain.

I just thought he didn't want to be involved this year.Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
WTFAMILOOKINGAT
Horizon Research Group
#312 - 2013-04-16 11:43:09 UTC
Turns out there's free beer and hookers if you vote.
RaTTuS
BIG
#313 - 2013-04-16 12:00:44 UTC
I and all my zillions of alts voted
if only I had more accounts than the goonies then I would get my way ... [mind you I'd have to stand for that]

get down and vote - if nothing else then to say you tried.

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Signal11th
#314 - 2013-04-16 12:57:37 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Signal11th wrote:

Or you don't vote as an active rebuff against the CSM or the need for it. I haven't voted or will vote partly down to the fact I don't see the need for the CSM or it's validity.

Really? Is it that hard to figure out? It's Valid because the owners of the game decreed it to be. They decreed it in reaction to the players raising their voces and making their anger and disgust well known. Now you have a venue by which you can (by proxy) have a seat at the table. Or turn your back on the CSM, and choose to be entirely voiceless - your lack of vote hurts CCP not at all. You'd be more efffective if you held your breath until you get everything you want.

CSM: It's not everything it might be, but which other game company is giving you even that much, eh?



Did they? from what I remember as usual with this game that is was a very vocal minority of players as it usually is.
The chiefs whip the plebs into a forum frenzy usually when there is something that usually either

a: stops their income
b: stops them curbstomping a smaller alliance.

Yes they intelligently use every means at their disposal.

because personally I can think of no movement that ever got anything without making noise.



So you've agreed that big alliances use the CSM for not what it's intended for (whatever that was, keeping the chattering classes happy after t20) but to intimidate and twist the game to their own benefit and you now want me to vote for this.....

I can think of plenty of "movements" the world could do without.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Frying Doom
#315 - 2013-04-16 13:13:40 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Signal11th wrote:

Or you don't vote as an active rebuff against the CSM or the need for it. I haven't voted or will vote partly down to the fact I don't see the need for the CSM or it's validity.

Really? Is it that hard to figure out? It's Valid because the owners of the game decreed it to be. They decreed it in reaction to the players raising their voces and making their anger and disgust well known. Now you have a venue by which you can (by proxy) have a seat at the table. Or turn your back on the CSM, and choose to be entirely voiceless - your lack of vote hurts CCP not at all. You'd be more efffective if you held your breath until you get everything you want.

CSM: It's not everything it might be, but which other game company is giving you even that much, eh?



Did they? from what I remember as usual with this game that is was a very vocal minority of players as it usually is.
The chiefs whip the plebs into a forum frenzy usually when there is something that usually either

a: stops their income
b: stops them curbstomping a smaller alliance.

Yes they intelligently use every means at their disposal.

because personally I can think of no movement that ever got anything without making noise.



So you've agreed that big alliances use the CSM for not what it's intended for (whatever that was, keeping the chattering classes happy after t20) but to intimidate and twist the game to their own benefit and you now want me to vote for this.....

I can think of plenty of "movements" the world could do without.

As to how it was intended to be used, frankly I have no idea, there have always been so many non-voters and people who are not interested in the game around them, that the CSM has never been representative of EvE.

Now is it the fault of these null sec groups that people want to give them control of the CSM?

As to movements, all voices are needed in this world, no matter how strange.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!