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0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#21 - 2013-04-04 14:07:55 UTC
I say 1.5bn because there are some market traders who will glady pay this for the standing and have me do all the dog work for them. 1.5bn is around $30 if you plex the isk. SO you can either grind pve or just pay up and do what you enjoy and make a lot more ISK market trading in the time i will take you to grind.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-04-04 14:10:53 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:
mynnna wrote:
If you're really, really anal about your standings, you do this.

1) Amarr COSMOS, data centers and FW in any combo until your Caldari standing reaches 7.00 (whenever you get standings with one empire, you gain and lose them with allied and hostile empires; this is derived standing, but it's capped, and the Amarr <->Caldari cap is 7.00)
2) Caldari COSMOS, data centers, and FW in full.
3) Caldari Epic Arc (and you can do this one over and over, so repeat every three months as it becomes available again)

There's a reason why all of my market alts were trained into (or bought as) tengu pilots, and it's because a tengu can handle all of that pretty easily.

That'll get you into 9.7-9.8 range for Caldari State standing, and you'll get a decent chunk of Caldari Navy (mid 7.0 or so, depending on where you start) as well. That's fine, since the corp standing is easier to grind, it's the Faction standing that sucks.

You'll have to figure out specifics on your own though. Blink

Absolutely.

It's also worth noting that you'll make quite a lot of isk doing this, to the point that it puts all the mainstream PvE isk sources into the shade.


Also true, though even grinding FW missions is still mission grinding at the end of the day and there are plenty of things I'd much rather do.

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-04-04 15:55:57 UTC
At what point, though, do standings become a matter of obsession instead of economic sense?

(which is fine, of course, this being a game and all)

If it's just about money, I can't see those last few points of broker fees ever being worth the time and mental anguish.

I personally AFKd courier missions up to .22 so far (9.9 corp, 8.3 faction), and am seriously questioning whether even this small effort is worth continuing.

This thread gives the somewhat false impression that the hard and fast way is "best", when it really is only in the rare case where you're already a bit of a trade (and eve generally) turbonerd (no offense intended, i am one).

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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#24 - 2013-04-04 17:15:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Bad Bobby
mynnna wrote:
Bad Bobby wrote:
mynnna wrote:
If you're really, really anal about your standings, you do this.

1) Amarr COSMOS, data centers and FW in any combo until your Caldari standing reaches 7.00 (whenever you get standings with one empire, you gain and lose them with allied and hostile empires; this is derived standing, but it's capped, and the Amarr <->Caldari cap is 7.00)
2) Caldari COSMOS, data centers, and FW in full.
3) Caldari Epic Arc (and you can do this one over and over, so repeat every three months as it becomes available again)

There's a reason why all of my market alts were trained into (or bought as) tengu pilots, and it's because a tengu can handle all of that pretty easily.

That'll get you into 9.7-9.8 range for Caldari State standing, and you'll get a decent chunk of Caldari Navy (mid 7.0 or so, depending on where you start) as well. That's fine, since the corp standing is easier to grind, it's the Faction standing that sucks.

You'll have to figure out specifics on your own though. Blink

Absolutely.

It's also worth noting that you'll make quite a lot of isk doing this, to the point that it puts all the mainstream PvE isk sources into the shade.


Also true, though even grinding FW missions is still mission grinding at the end of the day and there are plenty of things I'd much rather do.

Well my opinion is, and always has been, that all existing PvE content in EVE should simply be deleted.

It's all embaressingly badly put together such that it makes 8 bit gaming (which I do enjoy) look impressive and advanced by comparison.

Better to start again from scratch than polish that turd.

Furthermore, I'm not convinced that after deleting all the PvE that it should be replaced. I'd prefer to just have pure unvarnished resource gathering and PvP and leave it at that, because one thing EVE has shown us all is that the players author all the good content.
flakeys
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-04-04 17:50:56 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
At what point, though, do standings become a matter of obsession instead of economic sense?

(which is fine, of course, this being a game and all)

If it's just about money, I can't see those last few points of broker fees ever being worth the time and mental anguish.

I personally AFKd courier missions up to .22 so far (9.9 corp, 8.3 faction), and am seriously questioning whether even this small effort is worth continuing.

This thread gives the somewhat false impression that the hard and fast way is "best", when it really is only in the rare case where you're already a bit of a trade (and eve generally) turbonerd (no offense intended, i am one).



I never bothered with standings myself , none of my chars have any standings where they trade . If your making a nice profit your making a nice profit .


Trying to maximise is not my playstyle . No standings , no spreadsheets , no updating 3 times a day , no 3rd party progs .....

but that goes for the game in general no fitting tools/sites , evemom , kb whoring .....

and still i'm here after allmost 10 years , go figure Blink

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-04-04 17:54:53 UTC
High Caldari and Amarr faction standing (around 7.0 unmodified I think) let you run the high level COSMOS Agents.

Namely Akemon Talon and Zabonn Michi.

They drop Michi's Excavation Augmentor and Akemon's Modified 'Noble' ZET5000 implants.

They are worth a fair bit i.e. a billion each

BB has been printing ISK like this for a while IIRC.
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#27 - 2013-04-04 18:00:26 UTC
Uppsy Daisy wrote:
High Caldari and Amarr faction standing (around 7.0 unmodified I think) let you run the high level COSMOS Agents.

Namely Akemon Talon and Zabonn Michi.

They drop Michi's Excavation Augmentor and Akemon's Modified 'Noble' ZET5000 implants.

They are worth a fair bit i.e. a billion each

BB has been printing ISK like this for a while IIRC.

Yep, that's certainly one of the many isk fountains that come with high standings.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#28 - 2013-04-04 22:42:31 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:

Lux Imperator wrote:
Is this normal ? Then why have that skill at all ?

The skill is specifically for agent standings and therefore has no effect on non-agent standings.


That is incorrect. The Connections skill influences things other than agent access.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#29 - 2013-04-05 03:20:26 UTC
Andracin wrote:
I'd say 75% of the people in faction war don't do combat...they do warp core stabs and sit in plexes and run from anything bigger than a shuttle....and even shuttles might scare a few to panic mode...


Invest in shuttles?!?!
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#30 - 2013-04-05 08:24:24 UTC
flakeys wrote:

I never bothered with standings myself , none of my chars have any standings where they trade . If your making a nice profit your making a nice profit .

...

Trying to maximise is not my playstyle . No standings , no spreadsheets , no updating 3 times a day , no 3rd party progs .....

but that goes for the game in general no fitting tools/sites , evemom , kb whoring .....

and still i'm here after allmost 10 years , go figure Blink


Same here. Average trade nets 7-15-30 and sometimes even 60% profit, why care for sub 1%...

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Lux Imperator
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-04-05 10:38:50 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
flakeys wrote:

I never bothered with standings myself , none of my chars have any standings where they trade . If your making a nice profit your making a nice profit .

...

Trying to maximise is not my playstyle . No standings , no spreadsheets , no updating 3 times a day , no 3rd party progs .....

but that goes for the game in general no fitting tools/sites , evemom , kb whoring .....

and still i'm here after allmost 10 years , go figure Blink


Same here. Average trade nets 7-15-30 and sometimes even 60% profit, why care for sub 1%...



I don't understand this. For me it looks impossible to update your orders only twice a day and have profits of 30% in station trading. All the items that have a good return rate are either very volatile or the competition is harsh.

In jita, me and a friend of mine that studies economics and is a broker in RL, pulled three times the entire market list and analised it for a month. Changing orders only 2-3 times a day makes a 15% profit to be considered very good, 30% a dream and 60% impossible or just plain luck.

I can never pull more than 5%/day and frankly I don't even need to.
flakeys
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-04-05 11:50:19 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Lux Imperator wrote:
I don't understand this. For me it looks impossible to update your orders only twice a day and have profits of 30% in station trading. All the items that have a good return rate are either very volatile or the competition is harsh.

In jita, me and a friend of mine that studies economics and is a broker in RL, pulled three times the entire market list and analised it for a month. Changing orders only 2-3 times a day makes a 15% profit to be considered very good, 30% a dream and 60% impossible or just plain luck.

I can never pull more than 5%/day and frankly I don't even need to.



And there you answered your own question ... Blink


For myself profit on items can go from 10 % to 70 % .... i allways go with the 10% base when judging what i made that day.Easiest for me , log in in the evening and see 9 B stuff sold , ok means i made 900 m .

As said casual gamestyle suits me best.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Lux Imperator
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-04-05 12:26:47 UTC
Well now, many things start to make sense. You need a faculty degree and PhD in economics to play this game Shocked

I'm an IT engineer and I find it offensive that CCP didn't develop gameplay mechanics to suit my education Big smile
flakeys
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-04-05 12:29:43 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Lux Imperator wrote:
Well now, many things start to make sense. You need a faculty degree and PhD in economics to play this game Shocked

I'm an IT engineer and I find it offensive that CCP didn't develop gameplay mechanics to suit my education Big smile


I'm a cook ........ just saying Blink


Edit : you DID see i bolded 'in jita' for you right? Lol

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Lux Imperator
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-04-05 12:40:16 UTC
That's why I said it started to make sense P
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#36 - 2013-04-05 12:46:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Lux Imperator wrote:
Well now, many things start to make sense. You need a faculty degree and PhD in economics to play this game Shocked

I'm an IT engineer and I find it offensive that CCP didn't develop gameplay mechanics to suit my education Big smile


Engineers and brokers (your friend) and finance analysts are the 3 worst candidates for trading.

Trading is a gut feeling activity, eventually aided-by-tools (spreadsheets etc).

Engineers don't make it because they rationalize and remove the "gut feeling" from the activity. Plus they want to automatize trading and similar and get regularly busted (There's HFT but that's arbitraging inefficencies, not "value exchanging").

Brokers don't make it into "full fledge trading" because they tend to look at the smaller picture of many little profits trickling in (their job) while losing the perspective. They are also accustomed at playing "bank" and that's easier and automated.

Finance analysts pretend to understand the market and actively predict what it'll do instead of passively "listening" to it and hear its voice. When proven wrong, they call the market wrong instead. This has dire consequence, because going after their own plans means they will "see" the market has to do this and that, so they start moving stop loss and whatever in waiting market will "return behaving correctly" (where correctly = in the way they presumptuously demand its has to behave).

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