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How do we get the voters to turn out?

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Mila Chancel
Fungibility Inc.
Invisible Exchequer
#1 - 2013-04-03 19:38:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Mila Chancel
So, we all know about the blocs and their ballot lists etc. This post is not about them.

It is about what, if anything, we, the politically interested non-bloc members of Eve can do to increase voter turnout.

I realise a large chunk of the responsibility is with CCP, but, Eve always touts its player driven environment.

If this was RL, we would have the opportunity to doorstep, or to do calling of voters, sticking up posters, having bumper stickers etc.

We do not have these options, (although I would like a big tannoy to be able to able to broadcast while flying around), so, is there anything we can do that has been done before pre-CSM votes, or, does anyone have any suggestions for getting turnout from traditional non-voting demographics to increase?


EDIT:

Random ideas:

1) Bribe with coffee/cheese/adult magazines the owners of OOG sites such as BC, and the every smexy Chribba with his smorgåsbord of sites to put banners on the sites so people know there is a vote

2) (Less srs)
When you do an action that requires a confirmation for the first time after DT on Saturday, you get a popup sending you to the CSM voting thing (Assuming CCP have round 2 up by then)....You can click "No, I dont want to vote" of course, but then we would all have to open trade windows with you with 1 trit in......

The majority of people do not go to the forums, because, my god, the forums can be horrendous, but, this does not mean they do not have an interest, or are very vocal about their concerns for eve.

CCP Dolan mentioned there would be better publicity this year, so I am holding my breath waiting to see what they do....but, if we can put their efforts to shame, it would make us be totally awesome fluffy teddy bears with big sharp pointy teeth.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-04-03 20:10:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2013/04/dont-be-ashamed-to-strategic-vote.html

Don't be ashamed to strategic vote.

Unlike last year, the nullsec blocs are trying to get as many candidates onto the CSM as possible. There are certainly some strong nullsec candidates, and they'll certainly be voted onto the council. Kesper North. Sort Dragon. Mynnna. Banlish. Korvin. These people deserve to be on the CSM. They'll very likely serve the CSM well.

But there are also some terrible and weak nullsec candidates. The only way to avoid these people being on the council is for non-bloc candidates to vote strategically. Give those players without blocs behind them the best chance of adding their voice the council.

The best way to counteract the voting strategy of the nullsec blocs is to not vote nullsec bloc candidates. Plain and simple.

My voting ballot will be as follows:

Psychotic Monk
Ripard Teg
corebloodbrothers
Unforgiven Storm
Mangala Solaris
Ali Aras
Malcanis
Riverini
Steve Ronuken
Roc Wieler
Mike Azariah
Nathan Jameson

That's twelve people. I may toss on another two at the bottom, I'm not sure. The overall list of non-bloc candidates is kind of slim this year. Feel free to take this list, arrange it in whatever order you want, and if you do want a full-slate of fourteen candidates, toss in another three candidates of your choice.

I may wait a couple days before voting, wait for the bloc ballots to leak. See where their candidates are ranked. If Korvin, for instance, is ranked low on their lists, then I'll probably add him to my ballot.

I'm not anti-nullsec. far from it. I certainly want to see five or six nullsec candidates on the CSM, representing all their varying viewpoints. I just don't want to see a nullsec-bloc dominated CSM.

A strong CSM will have voices and opinions from the entire playerbase. The best opportunity for that to happen is to counteract the nullsec voting strategy, their desire to dominate CSM8. Vote non-nullsec this election.
Mila Chancel
Fungibility Inc.
Invisible Exchequer
#3 - 2013-04-03 21:50:38 UTC
So, now we have the official list of those going through to the next round:

CSM Devblog

Lets try and get as many people in on this as we can
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#4 - 2013-04-03 22:59:00 UTC
How about if you vote you get a special NEX "I voted in CSM8" T-Shirt?
Better yet: A FREE PONYBear
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Mila Chancel
Fungibility Inc.
Invisible Exchequer
#5 - 2013-04-03 23:01:27 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
How about if you vote you get a special NEX "I voted in CSM8" T-Shirt?
Better yet: A FREE PONYBear



As long as its not a Quafe T-shirt...there are some who might explode if that happens ^^ Blink



rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#6 - 2013-04-04 03:18:34 UTC
Mila Chancel wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
How about if you vote you get a special NEX "I voted in CSM8" T-Shirt?
Better yet: A FREE PONYBear



As long as its not a Quafe T-shirt...there are some who might explode if that happens ^^ Blink





How about a free pony that is sporting a Quafe T-shirt?

Also the pony has a tattoo on its butt of the candidate you voted for.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne

Frying Doom
#7 - 2013-04-04 03:28:28 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Mila Chancel wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
How about if you vote you get a special NEX "I voted in CSM8" T-Shirt?
Better yet: A FREE PONYBear



As long as its not a Quafe T-shirt...there are some who might explode if that happens ^^ Blink





How about a free pony that is sporting a Quafe T-shirt?

Also the pony has a tattoo on its butt of the candidate you voted for.

So everyone would be a stylish horses arse Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Dierdra Vaal
Interstellar Stargate Syndicate
#8 - 2013-04-04 11:08:32 UTC
A lot of people will not vote because they don't know any (or most) of the candidates, and as such feel that they can't make a worthwhile choice. Eespecially since trying to read up on 31 candidates is just too much work.

It is especially for these people that I run Vote Match. Vote Match makes it a lot easier for people to make a more informed choice and find candidates that would suit them well. This does require people to know about Vote Match, so spread the word!

Veto #205

Director Emeritus at EVE University

CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman

Evesterdam organiser and CSM Vote Match founder

Co-Author of the Galactic Party Planning Guide

Mila Chancel
Fungibility Inc.
Invisible Exchequer
#9 - 2013-04-04 11:10:51 UTC
Dierdra Vaal wrote:
A lot of people will not vote because they don't know any (or most) of the candidates, and as such feel that they can't make a worthwhile choice. Eespecially since trying to read up on 31 candidates is just too much work.

It is especially for these people that I run Vote Match. Vote Match makes it a lot easier for people to make a more informed choice and find candidates that would suit them well. This does require people to know about Vote Match, so spread the word!



I agree, and I am trying to spread info about it, but my general impression is, especially in Empire, it is not lack of organisation of players, but lack of knowledge of the fact that there is a CSM, the main comment I hear is along the lines of "I had no idea about the CSM til I heard it in this channel"
darmwand
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#10 - 2013-04-07 12:39:25 UTC
It's also a lack of suitable candidates. I live in low-sec and it seems there's nobody left on the final ballot who even pretends to represent me so really there's no reason for me to vote this time.

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."

Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#11 - 2013-04-09 19:01:52 UTC
darmwand wrote:
It's also a lack of suitable candidates. I live in low-sec and it seems there's nobody left on the final ballot who even pretends to represent me so really there's no reason for me to vote this time.

I could think of a few people you DONT want elected. Why not vote for people close to your views so people who dont have anything in common with your interests dont get ahead of them?

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

Frying Doom
#12 - 2013-04-09 23:46:07 UTC
There is an easy way to get a large percentage of EvE to vote.

Send an ingame mail with the link of the voting page

With a list of the candidates on it and a description of them.

have a paragraph about how important the CSM is

And then tell them that failure to vote makes you a traitor, and subsequently you will have a billion isk bounty placed on your head if you fail to vote.

Easy fixed.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

darmwand
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#13 - 2013-04-09 23:57:37 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

And then tell them that failure to vote makes you a traitor, and subsequently you will have a billion isk bounty placed on your head if you fail to vote.


I'll take that.

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."

darmwand
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#14 - 2013-04-10 00:16:55 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
darmwand wrote:
It's also a lack of suitable candidates. I live in low-sec and it seems there's nobody left on the final ballot who even pretends to represent me so really there's no reason for me to vote this time.

I could think of a few people you DONT want elected. Why not vote for people close to your views so people who dont have anything in common with your interests dont get ahead of them?


While that is of course true I think a lot of people just don't care enough about the CSM to do a detailed analysis of all the candidates in order to find out who they dislike least, especially seeing that even when there were low-sec people on the CSM they couldn't / didn't prevent things like the removal of static 2/10 plexes or FW farming. That said, some changes to low-sec were certainly nice (the removal of GCC comes to mind) but at least to me it's not clear whether the CSM had anything to do with that.

Anyway, I'm not here to complain, just saying that there are reasons for ignoring the elections other than not knowing about them.

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."

Frying Doom
#15 - 2013-04-10 02:17:40 UTC
darmwand wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

And then tell them that failure to vote makes you a traitor, and subsequently you will have a billion isk bounty placed on your head if you fail to vote.


I'll take that.

Yes some people would take it, while others who seem to complain over 100k bounty would vote.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Mila Chancel
Fungibility Inc.
Invisible Exchequer
#16 - 2013-04-14 11:19:58 UTC
I think perhaps in order to generate more awareness/interest of the CSM for the next cycle, the profile of the CSM should be a little higher.

Yes, I know the minutes are available, and yes, the members get funky little tags on their forum pictures, but, we know that it is only a small number of players who frequent the forums, and with regard to the minutes, how many people read their local council minutes IRL, or watch the political party conferences? (Apart from for the comedic moments in some countries of course!)

The profile of the CSM, and awareness of WTF it is they actually do, is very low for the majority of players. This leads to the (possibly incorrect) assumption that the CSM is useless, if they are aware that it exists at all.

Raising the profile is something that is mostly in CCPs court, although OOG eve-related sites can do their part (as many have during this election cycle).

As IRL, people usually need to feel like the candidates represent them, and for many it seems like a popularity contest, where the big names get in, and the individual vote matters little.

My ideal would be an "anonymous" platform, where the candidates names are not shown, and their platform is presented in a similar way to the "Candidate comparison" we had this time round. This would remove the problem of "I am not voting for X because I don't like their alliance", and would perhaps prevent some candidates with weak platforms getting elected based purely on their affiliation.

I know this suggestion is open to the problem of someone writing their platform so that it is obvious who they are, but, there are ways around that.

Frying Doom
#17 - 2013-04-14 11:50:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Of course it might help if the CSM did any thing.

For example here is the CSM7 activity page
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Category:CSM_Seventh_Candidacy

The CSM chairman's blog
http://seleenes-sandbox.blogspot.com.au/

With the last post in September, and not much on these forums either, other than an ask me anything post that went unanswered for weeks.

The Vice-Chairmans blog
http://treborofthecsm.blogspot.com.au/

This had more in it but most of the posts relate to his last years campaign and this years campaign. The Chairman and Vice-Chairman are responsible for the communication with the playerbase.

But their is one ray of sunshine in the latest dreg of a white paper
CSM White Paper wrote:
The other five positions will be decided upon by CCP in cooperation with the CSM, based on their
activity on the CSM and their expertise as it relates to the expected topics of discussion.

And this lovely section
CSM White Paper wrote:
The CSM is a “flat” organization, and Officers do not have special powers, only additional responsibilities. The responsibilities of the Chairman and Vice-Chairman are to handle official communications between the CSM and CCP, and they are expected to be particularly active in interacting with the community. The responsibilities of the Secretary and Vice-Secretary are related to the production of official CSM publications such as the CSM Summit Minutes. Thus, CSM Officers are expected to be the most active members of the CSM.


So it spells it out quiet clearly that is an officer does not perform their duties (as they are meant to be the most active CSM members), and the primary duty of the Chairman and the Vice-Chairman is "to handle official communications between the CSM and CCP, and they are expected to be particularly active in interacting with the community. ".

So in another words another crappy set of communication like CSM 7 and they will be having a Summit without a chairman and a vice-chairman.Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#18 - 2013-04-14 17:08:10 UTC
Since the STV is an australian thing, I suggest that we adopt australian tactics to drive turnout.

Fine each account that doesn't vote 10% of NAV

Bonus: huge ISK sink!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Frying Doom
#19 - 2013-04-14 22:18:18 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Since the STV is an australian thing, I suggest that we adopt australian tactics to drive turnout.

Fine each account that doesn't vote 10% of NAV

Bonus: huge ISK sink!

Plus it was designed for the Senate, so all you have to do is put a one in the parties box of your choice and thats it, unless you are a weirdo and want to fill out the whole sheet (I think thats about 3% of Australians)

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#20 - 2013-04-15 04:54:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde
rodyas wrote:
Mila Chancel wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
How about if you vote you get a special NEX "I voted in CSM8" T-Shirt?
Better yet: A FREE PONYBear



As long as its not a Quafe T-shirt...there are some who might explode if that happens ^^ Blink





How about a free pony that is sporting a Quafe T-shirt?

Also the pony has a tattoo on its butt of the candidate you voted for.

Instant support.

@darmwand: so you're sure the CSM is at fault for things you dont like but you doubt they had anything to do with the things you do like. Ooook....

@Doom: That white paper langage was added in this years rewrite. Take guesses as to why.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

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