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Because this is a game...

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#41 - 2013-04-03 14:24:20 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
The most disturbing part is knowing there's still someone bothering with L4 missions. Cool


I see that the pedestal that you've placed yourself on has gotten so high that it's cut off all the oxygen to your brain. Roll

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#42 - 2013-04-03 14:24:51 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
DeMichael Crimson means well, but has a somewhat selective memory. Smile

In addition to the points made on Ninja salvaging, there was far, far worse going on commonly since 2003. Most of the game rules we have today concerning Concord response times and strength are due to far more obvious aggression than simple and mild ninja salvaging.

Criminal acts in high sec today are fairly pathetic in comparison.


That's my take as well. As far as I'm concerned, EVE is TAME today compared to the past.

I think a good indicator is how in game stuff is making the "real life" news less often now than in the past. We're the 80 bil isk subcapital ship ganks to make it on BBC news? Or the epic spy stuff the fells whole coalitions overnight? Or the scandals that get mentioned in the Wall Street Journal?

I don't think is is a positive development, as EVE gets more "mature" and "civilized" the way many a GD poster wants it to, it looses that rough edged "wild west in space" thing that spawns epicness.

But hey, at least our ships now come with safeties so we don't accidentally our ships into low sec now.......


My thoughts on this

(tl;dr: you're quite right)

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Akiyo Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-04-03 15:13:44 UTC
Did someone threaten to war dec you?

You should make a petition, clearly they are abusing the game mechanics. :v

No

Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#44 - 2013-04-03 15:20:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Milan Nantucket
My main was visited once by thieves.... when the thief turned yellow my main blew him up... then abandoned all the wrecks for giggles Pirate

Your correct on it being tamer.... I remember when "Warp to 0" didn't exist... made gate camps interesting instead of boring as hell.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#45 - 2013-04-03 15:22:19 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


In essence you're complaining about being tackled in a football game. No-one likes getting tackled and losing the ball, but that's the way the game is played and that's the game you have joined. I would suggest that you put a little time into finding out EVE actually works rather than complaining that it doesn't work how you imagined it to be.


If EVE (well, High Sec) was like football, the REFs would tackle you everytime you carried the ball to within 10 yards of the End Zone Big smile


Damn right they should. You arn't ment to use hands in football.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#46 - 2013-04-03 15:24:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Welcome to Eve Adam.

The challenge here is not the rats or the missions, it is the bastard who stole your wrecks and threatened a wardec. That interaction is the most interesting part of the game. Grinding rats is no challenge and really no problem to figure out, most people soon tire of such gameplay.

Set a trap for the thief, recent changes to theft flagging mark the thief as a target to everyone making it much more difficult to ninja loot or can flip.

Move systems if you can't fight a war dec. Very few corps will follow you to a new location.

Or move into low/null. When there you at least know that anyone who is not blue in system is dangerous.

start farming wormholes instead of missions.

There are options for you even if you can't fight, take advantage of them and just plan on loosing some ships. That is the great disconnect that I see with Eve and new players, the idea that perfect play will protect you from loss, it wont. You must be prepared to loose ships in Eve.
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-04-03 15:44:59 UTC
Adam Armer wrote:
...he wardec and clearly states that he will not allow me to do missions or anything anymore...
Move. Find some place further away from hubs.

Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Insidious.
#48 - 2013-04-03 16:08:28 UTC
He said "I'm not trolling" twice
that's a double negative
means he's trollin
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#49 - 2013-04-03 16:08:36 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


In essence you're complaining about being tackled in a football game. No-one likes getting tackled and losing the ball, but that's the way the game is played and that's the game you have joined. I would suggest that you put a little time into finding out EVE actually works rather than complaining that it doesn't work how you imagined it to be.


If EVE (well, High Sec) was like football, the REFs would tackle you everytime you carried the ball to within 10 yards of the End Zone Big smile


Damn right they should. You arn't ment to use hands in football.


I was talkin 'bout Amurika Football! I would start chanting "USA, USA" but my public school didn't cover spelling (thank god for spell check).

Cool
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#50 - 2013-04-03 16:12:31 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
DeMichael Crimson means well, but has a somewhat selective memory. Smile

In addition to the points made on Ninja salvaging, there was far, far worse going on commonly since 2003. Most of the game rules we have today concerning Concord response times and strength are due to far more obvious aggression than simple and mild ninja salvaging.

Criminal acts in high sec today are fairly pathetic in comparison.


That's my take as well. As far as I'm concerned, EVE is TAME today compared to the past.

I think a good indicator is how in game stuff is making the "real life" news less often now than in the past. We're the 80 bil isk subcapital ship ganks to make it on BBC news? Or the epic spy stuff the fells whole coalitions overnight? Or the scandals that get mentioned in the Wall Street Journal?

I don't think is is a positive development, as EVE gets more "mature" and "civilized" the way many a GD poster wants it to, it looses that rough edged "wild west in space" thing that spawns epicness.

But hey, at least our ships now come with safeties so we don't accidentally our ships into low sec now.......


My thoughts on this

(tl;dr: you're quite right)

Right on the (Space) money with that article, and yet many a "solo/casual" won't understand that, because "they just play games to chill".

it's not like choice of game to chill with should matter or anything lol. I am not predicting doomsday/EVE is dying as it were, but it does really seem to me that CCP is kind of going in the wrong direction. The game needs more bloodshed and what other games would call "douchebaggery", not less.

Pepper Mind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-04-03 16:32:33 UTC
You could create a wallet-division in times of peace within your corporation.
If you get war decced, you can hire mercs to defend you, if you aren't able to do so.

This is an advice, if you typed your first post with serious thoughts and still monitoring this thread.
Dave Stark
#52 - 2013-04-03 16:36:26 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Damn right they should. You arn't ment to use hands in football.


i see what you did there...
Derdrom Utida
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-04-03 16:39:38 UTC
You didn't have to make this thread again, OP
Grendel Sickswitch
#54 - 2013-04-03 16:56:18 UTC
Adam Armer wrote:
So, because this is a "GAME":

I do missions and be happy then someone warps on me and steal my loot
I shoot the wrecks to prevent him from stealing the loot
He ask for 100 mill or he wardec because I shot the wrecks to prevent him from stealing "MY" LOOT
he wardec and clearly states that he will not allow me to do missions or anything anymore
Then when we complain about this **** we get answer "This is a GAME, and that is NORMAL GAME play"

Thank you "GAME"

Notes:
1- I'm not trolling
2- I'm not talking about ninja salvaging (because I had ninjas come and salvage my wrecks and go leaving my loot alone)
3- I'm not whining because this would be in a different way if I want to whine
4- I'm not trolling
5- Spare yourself and myself the time to write/read stupid comments like GTFO etc etc because it was nice knowing a "GAME" called EVE for the past 7 months

Basically keeping the 30% happy on the account of ruining the "GAME" for the 70% is something normal around here

/thread
/GAME


just stay in a hangar altogether if you can't handle the massive risk and dangers in level 4 high sec missioning.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-04-03 17:05:59 UTC
Galan Amarias wrote:
Seriously your enjoyment was destroyed because people want to interact wit you? You may want a single player experience.

Sounds like you have never seen any human Lol

Most of a time when somebody wants to "interact with you" it means you will get trouble soon or at least someone will waste your time Lol

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Saeri Averes-Vith
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-04-03 19:50:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Saeri Averes-Vith
Adam Armer wrote:
So, because this is a "GAME":

I do missions and be happy then someone warps on me and steal my loot
I shoot the wrecks to prevent him from stealing the loot
He ask for 100 mill or he wardec because I shot the wrecks to prevent him from stealing "MY" LOOT
he wardec and clearly states that he will not allow me to do missions or anything anymore
Then when we complain about this **** we get answer "This is a GAME, and that is NORMAL GAME play"

Thank you "GAME"

Notes:
1- I'm not trolling
2- I'm not talking about ninja salvaging (because I had ninjas come and salvage my wrecks and go leaving my loot alone)
3- I'm not whining because this would be in a different way if I want to whine
4- I'm not trolling
5- Spare yourself and myself the time to write/read stupid comments like GTFO etc etc because it was nice knowing a "GAME" called EVE for the past 7 months

Basically keeping the 30% happy on the account of ruining the "GAME" for the 70% is something normal around here

/thread
/GAME



Would you believe me if I told you that I envy you?

Back when I was running missions (actually not that long ago) it was so boring that I had wished to get more interaction with others - the bad sort of interaction to be precise. I'm not even talking about little things like ninja looters/salvagers... I would have loved a Wardec (however unlikely on my 1man corp), falling for good scam or getting suicide ganked in one of my expensive ships.

The worst thing that ever happened to me was a hurricane or tornado (not sure which, but one of the common ganking ships) targeting my industrial with 1.5 bil cargo. Yes, TARGETING - he did not open fire. And sadly so because I would have congratulated that person for his patience and efforts paying off.

The thrill of danger and losing something valuable is what I love about EVE after all.
IMHO you should be happy that the game and it's fine citizens did deliver it to you.
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-04-03 20:51:07 UTC
Derdrom Utida wrote:
So someone was mean to you and you think it's the game's fault? No, you should realize that you're on a level playing field. Get skills, or get friends, or get a merc corp to slaughter the guy. It's a war dec, and it doesn't grant him invulnerability from you.

The best tears in the game are the tears of wardeccers that get shot up by supposed carebears.

I have done this and it is indeed glorious.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.

Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#58 - 2013-04-03 21:20:57 UTC
mercs are expensive though, aren't they?

OP looks pretty new I don't know if he'd have that kind of money.

good way to spend carebear loot though!

forums.  serious business.

Haulie Berry
#59 - 2013-04-03 21:23:50 UTC
If you want to be insulated from the actions of other players, try a single-player game.
Michael Turate
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-04-03 21:27:02 UTC
Tough love here buddy so get ready.

You have no friends, you are running L4's in a one man corp that you might flesh out with your alts. You would like the rules that govern real life to disappear here because you're in a game world and that should allow you to be whatever you want to be right? Wrong, part of the thrill of Eve is that it functions very much like the real world and real world skills are needed if you want to survive and then prosper.

The bullies here are the same as everywhere, they search out weak and vulnerable or pompous people and exploit them. Predators look for signs, when you've been in the game a long time they are easy to spot. What signs? Your badly spelt and confused corp description, your location, an invite only 1 member corp suggesting it will grow to be mighty and powerful, the aspirational rhetoric,

We are a gruop of people who respect each other (sic)

How are you a group, the two contacts you mention possibly? The two alts who were born at or around the same time as the guy who heads up the 1 man corp?

To the bad men in Eve, you are a walking, talking piñata and they'll dip your juicy dumplings in plum sauce and tuck in.

You need to search out a good quality corporation that does the things you like to do and sign up. This will open up a whole new world of content and interaction and it will mean that you will no longer face threats alone, in fact you probably won't face threats at all because griefers don't like people with friends and they don't like people that fight back.

YOU are making YOURSELF a victim, the predators are just doing what predators do. If you walk around cities at night on your own then eventually someone will grab you and put their little finger up your bottom. Don't be that bottom, you don't have to feel the finger.