EVE General Discussion

You know... You can avoid all of that just by selecting your missioning system intelligently. Over all the years I've played eve I have my mission pocket invaded only once. Those boys weren't really interested in my loot at all though, they just wanted another killmail.

Oh yeah. One more thing; Can I have your stuff?

As already said you can drop your one man corp if you're getting griefed. it cost this guy 50M ISK to pick on you and he hopes you don't know this because you're a new player.

To avoid ninja looters/salvagers in general, you need to move away from popular agent systems, especially trade hubs. I think the only time I've been ninja looted was running federation navy missions out of dodixie and since agent quality is now equal (for same security status system) there's no need to present yourself for plundering.

And once you can run L4s fast you'll realise most loot/salvage is garbage money compared to the faster LP accrual and storyline mission access which yield the top tier implants as bonuses.

The most disturbing part is knowing there's still someone bothering with L4 missions.

Umm, OP, the only reply to your post that leaps to mind is: "Umm, yes? And?"

Seriously, not all games are the same. If you want to mission in peace, there's tons of games that allow you to do that. If you don't like it, there's no use arguing about it, just take your money and move on to another game. It's the best stimulus I know of to make a business see sense.

EDIT:

Though I do feel that salvaging someone else's wreck should flag you as suspect. It is simply illogical otherwise, and you have to be braindead to argue that it is.

Consider this: do wrecks naturally occur in space? Wrecks that can be salvaged, I mean? The answer is, for the most part, no. As such, wrecks are created by someone. Someone who shoots the ship (expending ammo, which is ISK, and time, which is more ISK) to turn a ship into a wreck that can be salvaged. As such, to say that the wreck is "neutral" and free for all has always seemed totally idiotic to me. Without a player shooting the target, the wreck would never occur naturally. And if the loot from the wreck is flagged as belonging to the player doing the shooting, why not the wreck's salvage? Especially when salvage is often more valuable than the loot? On the flipside, if they insist on keeping wrecks neutral, then loot from kills should be neutral too.

Otherwise it just makes no sense, and is one of the examples why so many people have difficulty getting started in EVE - there are too many rules that are totally off-the-wall arbitrary and go against all reason.

"Ninja Salvaging" started the same day Salvaging did, because 'salvager' was explictly created to be a new profession. Indeed a dev said at the time that, and I quote: "nobody in his right mind thinks missioning needs any extra rewards".

Evewho tells me that you started playing EVE 2008/06/23 02:48AM.

Salvaging was introduced in the Revelations expansion, in November 2006.

Googling "EVE salvage theft 2006 2007" gives this link as the first hit, dating from 2007:

http://www.eve-search.com/thread/580679-0/author/CCP

Note the second nonCCP post in that thread, implying that salvage theft threads were annoyingly common by then (which they were)



People have been (mistakenly) bitching about salvage "theft" literally since the day it was introduced, because EVE salvage law follows RL salvage law.

Looks like someone beat me to it, but this is totally false. I started playing in 2007 on a character I've since sold (I still remember the excitement of earning enough to by my 1st Navy Raven lol) running missions in the Dodixie Area.

People came into my mission all the time. I lost that 1st navy Raven to a dude who I shot at after he took something out of my can (in a frig) then next thing i know a Brutix and Dominix are all up in my grill. I learned aggro mechanics that day lol.

Hell, you can go to many EVE related killboards and find such kills going way back.

What EVE have you been playing?

Where does it say games have to be fair?

EVE is a pvp game. He has acted entirely within the rules. Wardecs are by no means a new or unknown mechanism, and they have been in the game since CONCORD was introduced. Wardeccing someone as a means of extortion is a valid form of gameplay.

Your options are
(1) Pay
(2) Fight
(3) Leave the corp

In essence you're complaining about being tackled in a football game. No-one likes getting tackled and losing the ball, but that's the way the game is played and that's the game you have joined. I would suggest that you put a little time into finding out EVE actually works rather than complaining that it doesn't work how you imagined it to be.

drop to npc corp, no wardecs ever.

If EVE (well, High Sec) was like football, the REFs would tackle you everytime you carried the ball to within 10 yards of the End Zone