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Gravimetric Icebelt sites? Why do they not exist?
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#21 - 2013-04-03 01:03:17 UTC
Really Ice should be mixed into normal grav sites(not all but some), and ice should be depletable, even in statics. I still don't understand the idea of infinite ice roids.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-04-03 05:26:22 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Really Ice should be mixed into normal grav sites(not all but some), and ice should be depletable, even in statics. I still don't understand the idea of infinite ice roids.


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John Grimm
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#23 - 2013-04-03 06:08:50 UTC
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Markku Laaksonen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-04-03 12:37:30 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Markku Laaksonen wrote:
There is no gravity in ice. Learn to science. kthxbai



Actually, tell the OP. It was his idea.

Edit: also, Ice has mass, therefore, GRAVITY.


Then why doesn't ice stick to my fridge?

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#25 - 2013-04-03 12:51:08 UTC
Gravimetric Icebelt sites? Why do they not exist?

Because it would allow Wormhole groups to produce their POS fuels internally. It's the same reason there is very little tritanium in there; shortages mean you must handle logistics and take risks transporting (partial) products and fuels. If wspace had it's own Ice, there would be little reason to make trips back to (read: interact with) kspace at all.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#26 - 2013-04-03 13:37:52 UTC
They don't exist because no one would mine them. And then they would clog up grav site positions for exploration.

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Friggz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-04-03 13:44:50 UTC
The only use I can see is for wormhole corps since I think if you could get ice in the hole from grav sites you could make everything else you need for fuel off PI. I'd imagine CCP doesn't want self sufficient holes, though.
Tennessee Jack
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-04-03 15:30:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Tennessee Jack
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Gravimetric Icebelt sites? Why do they not exist?

Because it would allow Wormhole groups to produce their POS fuels internally. It's the same reason there is very little tritanium in there; shortages mean you must handle logistics and take risks transporting (partial) products and fuels. If wspace had it's own Ice, there would be little reason to make trips back to (read: interact with) kspace at all.



Well lets really look at this more indepth.

The only person who really connects with kspace, are the logistics guys. On average, its 1 freighters, and 2 haulers moving ice materials into the hole. They are the only ones who realistically interact with Kspace on any regular basis.

Now if they did put Ice in Signatures.. what would happen?

Would the people be able to make POS fuel in there hole? Yea probably.

Would more people be Targets in the wormhole... well yes. You now have to organize mining operations to mine the ice, obviously boosted. You would have multiple miner's out, in addition, you'd have a pvp fleet out doing guard duty, or raiding other's who try to get into the hole. You'd have bombers trying to blow up the miner's, T3's trying to get those people on the mining op...

I don't quite see how that is a bad thing. Right now, the only interaction the bulk of wormhole corps have with highsec (in regards to POS fuel and Ice Products), is flying an out of corp alt to Jita, placing buy orders, and hauling it to the highsec entrance of the hole, and having a few industrials haul the stuff in. That happens maybe... once a month. The wormholer's aren't going to the icebelts to mine the crap themselves, and if so, it'll be 1 guy with 2 miner's, probably all out of corp, afkish mining it midday once a week or 2. I don't see how the current setup causes "kspace" interaction in any level atm.

Now you could break this up into what nullsec corps do. DO they need actual interaction with highsec.. no. If they do, out of corp hauler, they leave jita, lite a cyno and warp away in 3 seconds, and start bouncing home. That's about the most they'll interact with highsec.

Lowsec.. well same thing, they have the logistical advantage with jump freighters.

In addition.. well they have their own icebelts they can mine themselves, if they so choose to. Wormhole people nether have the logistic advantage Kspace does (We gave that up to live in a wormhole), but they also neither have the access to a basic product, Ice, to fuel such things. Now wormholer's don't have access to random belts like most of kspace does, they have to probe the stuff out and hope it spawns.

Wormholers.. well good luck with that. They already sacrifice allot just to live in such a place. I just don't see the arguement that they have to interact with Kspace, being a valid one. I mean if you really want conflict driver's, Ice for fuel for wormhole people would be one.


I'm thinking that the same approach could be done with ice products. If you really want to make it interesting, make the yields relatively low, and add new alchemy to transmute ice from onetype to another (so you don't have to put in 4 different type of ice asteroids, just 1 new one, and the wh corps would have to transmute it to the product they need).
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