EVE General Discussion

If you're here for the market and industry, that's not PvE, that's you versus every other player in the game, whether you see it or not. If it was PvE you would be competing with NPCs, there's very little NPC presence in the market and none in industry. 99% of transaction are between players, 99% of everything for sale on the market is made by a player, you're taking part in PvP, pretty brutal PvP at times. Even the PvE is there to fuel PvP, mining, looting, salvage, PI, all of it either goes through the market in its intial form or gets processed and used to produce something that can be sold on the market.

That's what people who come from other games don't understand, Eve is a PvP game that just happens to have some PvE elements, not great ones either.

EvE, everybody vs everbody - RubyPorto

You have gone to an all high to deny the resemblence to pve. Think about it: A pve ship vs lots of red crosses (rats/you). The blob happens to be controlled by players, but they are no different than an unexpected spawn of rats with disruptors. If you like blobbing pve ships without any risk to yourselves, then you are just a bunch of carebears merely pretending to be pvpers. If you dislike increasing the difficult and risk to your blob, then you are even more of a carebear.

My feedback and proposals make this thread a feedback and development thread, but the forum admins do not want people to consider these new ideas as feedback for development. Reveals the heavy hand of censorship, IMHO.

FTFY

Actually shooting POSes is very much PVP. I'm working with my group to grief these other people by taking their stuff away. They then form a defense fleet and go meet us, and decide if it's a good idea to fight us. If they come at us, we decide if it's a good idea to stick around. 95% of the time it's not a fair fight, and 3% of the time it would have been a fair fight but a bad FC messed it up. Yet even though we got blueballed, PVP still happened because we still took their POS from them -or- lost some ships running away with our tail between our legs.

This is the sort of PVP you will never find in any other game. We have a small percentage of pilots who love flying about solo or in small groups in stealthy ships in our enemies' territory picking off stragglers and making us look scary, while a small percentage of them d the same to us. That 5% or so of the alliance cause some 40% of the opposing alliance to lose PVE ships on a regular basis and become extremely frustrated with EVE and go raging on the forums about how one-sided and unfair EVE PVP is.

That's what sets EVE PVP apart from other games. You can't even draw a line between PVP and PVE. In fact, just when you think you have found a nook or cranny where you can safely PVE without fear of PVP, someone will find you and grief you just on principle. 65% of the people who get griefed in this way sincerely believe that the aggressor did it just to be a ****, because they are antisocial, or because they are exceedingly bored. But the reality is that these griefers feel they have an obligation to the EVE community to make sure that nobody can feel safe anywhere. They work very hard and struggle to grief as much and as well as they do. It is not as easy as it looks, but it is much more fulfilling than you might think it is if you don't have much understanding of EVE's economy.

And that's another thing that sets EVE apart from other massive games. Its economy is not only vast and varied, but the majority of it is somewhat hidden from view. Despite there being a wealth of players who are eager to bring new people into the "real" game, there are still entire herds of newcomers who have no idea that this economy exists, and will go on for long periods of time believing that EVE is a harsh, everyone-for-themselves sort of land, and banking on the sense of accomplishment being from managing to put up with it all and still come out successful. They will draft up their own goals to measure their success by, and the few who achieve these goals are left wondering why the majority of the EVE community really isn't impressed by their success, because they have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the EVE economy works.

It is these sorts of disparities in how EVE works versus how the denizens of EVE think EVE works that adds another layer of mystery and intrigue to the game. You might be convinced that your luck has been cursed with a powerful enchantment, or that you must have rubbed some internet deity the wrong way, because your luck in the game is incomprehensibly bad. There is just no way that players who aren't working together on a level almost unseen in the real world, who don't have an enormous amount of infrastructure invested in the game, could ever have managed to position themselves so perfectly as to be in just the right place at the right time to grief you as horribly as they did. Every time it happens, you will swear up and down that it is just sheer dumb luck, and every time it will happen again. And until you watch these griefers in action, you will have no idea how the things they do are even physically possible. At least that's how it was for me and a few others I know.

That's the sort of things that set EVE apart from other games. It really is the PVP, and I'm not trying to start a pissing contest with you or anything, but it really is all about the EVE PVP. Your PVP experiences here aren't the end-all-be-all of EVE PVP.

Tell that to the blue donut.

Looking at OP's hates... It's clear you are rubbish at Eve, No iWin for you ♥

Double post

Trading is all about attacking another player, because trade is competing with other players, not NPCs. So is manufacturing, your competition is other players, not NPCs. Competing with other players = PvP no matter what the activity. Stop being deliberately obtuse.

General consensus of opinion is that people like you, should GBTW or whatever game you came from.

I don't like something to.. Can I go whine on the foruns to or should I just troll your thread some?

We don't have PvE arenas here, if it's a player that you're shooting at then it's P(layer)vP(layer), if it's not another player then it's P(layer)vE(nvironment). The clue is in the acronyms.