EVE General Discussion

You love that line "solo pve ships" don't you?

Get some friends its a multiplier game,

Even more so (like ive said and others a 1000x times) if a (here is your line again) "solo pve ship" is that dumb to get him self caught that he is going to die.

When is this going to sink into that head of yours andy?

He does have a point.

For all the chest beating, and all the "I'M BIGGER AND BETTER THAN U!!!" rhetoric, the PvPers are but PvErs in disquise.

You raid. You market. You even build things. Heck, you even pick up brass like a good Marine.

The difference is PvErs realize all this and don't care. It seems PvPers can't get around the fact they do PvE. Maybe that's where all the hatred comes from, hating yourselves.

You're not going to control people. They're going to play what they like, and look at the junior high playground for what it is.

You may not, but your alt did (which is you regardless).

You can't escape the PvE side in EvE. Everyone engages in it. It's why it even exists in a PvP game.

My only alt is a covert cyno alt...she sits cloaked waiting for people like andy.. no pve for her either.

You ask how to i make isk? Loot... "its a pirates life for me" Yarrr

I would define pve has shooting a rat (or some non player ship). What i do would be trading yes, but i would not define that as "pve"...

Trading is pretty much pvp.

But where do you draw that line

as tradionally PvP is litererally Player vs Player and PvE is Player vs Environment.

So is ganking a defenseless mining ship PvP, by your definition? or does the opponent have to be armed? Does to outcome have to cost the opponent isk? or a ship?

It very much depends on the shade of the lipstick.

EVE is such a diverse game that opinions vary considerably. Op had 7 things he hates.
Here are mine,
1. The rank structure is broken.
We are all Captains but when I told my FC he can’t order me to “jump jump” and I am not “holding my cloak” as I don’t own one, kicked me from fleet. Power mad nutter!

2. People who say “Yarrr”!
Who aren’t from the West Country, have one eye, a wooden leg and parrot or have had a stroke. Gits!

3. Suicide gankers who actually believe they are good at PvP.
Suicide ganking for profit yes, shitz and giggles yes, Pod poker yes. But an elite PvPer errrm no.

4. People who think they are “Elite Null Sec space pilots”.
Who won’t undock a Hulk or their CNR to rat without an all clear in the whole constellation. Then because a manticore pilot was seen in local yesterday spend 8 hours bitching on the forums about nerfing Cov Ops or Hi Sec as they earn more isk than you per hour – BECAUSE THEY AREN’T DOCKED UP ALL DAY. Pillock!

5. Dramiel Pilots.
Because I have never managed to kill one. I know there have been some terribad fits seen on Lossmails. Every Dramiel pilot I meet flies like a WW2 ace and I end up on fire picking shrapnel out of my pod. I will remove this from the list if I ever manage to kill one. Until then you are all barstewards.

6. Goonswarm drones.
Remember the kids in school who thought they were cool, but were actually tossers. Well that’s where they hang out in EVE. Except the guys who run the Goonswarm who are taking advantage of them. I LIKE those guys.

7. Tear Harvesters
These are people who do bone things to others that aren’t funny, make no profit or take any skill whatsoever - then bragging about it. An example would be repeatedly shooting a newbie in his rookie ship at the undock then boasting on C&P about it with a terrible post. These people are so fail not even Goonswarm will take them.

Dude, you are the rats of the pve world. You make the cyno which brings lots of red targets ganging up on a single pve ship. The difference is that you have disruptors and you weren't invited, unlike most of the rats. Neither of those points makes you any more than a pve "rat." So yes, by fighting a pve ship, you are doing pve, while calling it pvp of all things. A carebear flying a pirate flag and whining about proposals to improve the mechanics that you hold so dear to being a carebear .. what do you make of that?

If you don't like the things on that list, then EVE isn't your game. If you can get by avoiding those aspects of the game, then you're not really playing EVE.