EVE New Citizens Q&A

The underlined...totally agree with (see your mail for a more full explanation Etetia).

And I also agree with Vilnius on some points about ISD being a step down from what I can do now:

Currently I can play with my accounts I pay for to have fun WHILE helping new players out.
Currently I can give advice the way I see fit. I don't have to pretend to like you if I don't, I can just say you are a moron.

But I really think that some normal old guys should be let into the Rookie Help. Just so they can answer questions there.

As am I the only one who sees the weird idea behind rookie help, only people will less then 30 days on their account can be in it (exception to ISD/CCP). Of course there are teh alts made to help in there, but in it's real purpose it's utterly useless because it's newbs among newbs. If there weren't obvious alts in there, no new player will get help from a channel with only other clueless new players in it, or he has to wait till one of the ISD guys finally shows up.

So, either open it up a bit more or ISD really needs to work on manning that channel 23/7, as when ISD is not around it's just alts doing your work and the channel is totally FUBAR when ISD isn't there with all kinds of trash talk.

Yes and no.
Yes that some older players should be granted access which can be revoked at any time, no to it being accessible to everyone (or everyone over a certain age).
Personally i stay out of the help channel because sometimes its just..miserable to be in there with smack talking, name calling and people that purposely give wrong/bad advice/answer to questions just for the fun of it.
Granted its been a long time since i was in there (think the last time was maybe 2 years ago?) so the situation might be different now.

But getting a few serius players who are genuinely looking to help younger players that are willing to keep an eye on the channel when their not busy could help out the ISD's and honestly i think it would make a good impression on a younger player seeing players who have been around for months/years, since this will help reinforce the idea that this is a game that can keep you entertained for a longer period of time.
Please note that i do know ISD's are players as well, but i wouldent think this is something that occurs to a brand new player and they would just see a CCP employee and not know the ISD's and similar are volunteers.

I'm with NC85's idea of a limited amount of "trustworthy" people that can join it.

Petition and maybe ISD / CCP will split the thread.

Well. Don't fully agree with the pet hate part.

My alt is in a NPC Noob corp, it does make the occasional money as trader/mission runner. But it's main duty is to assist new players in the NPC Corp chat.

@J'Poll
That's why I put it under pet hate, it wasn't aimed at people who have NPC corp alts, like yourself, who are always helpful when they can be, it's aimed at the people who are no help, or who go out of their way to push newbies into grinding. They are part of the reason that it took 4 trials over 2 years for Eve to get its hooks in.

And that is exactly why I (over)react as I do/did when I see someone tell some newbie to "go mine" or "go run missions" because what they're actually doing is catering for the lowest common denominator and slow down progress (or even scare away) the ones that can and want to do better.

Sorry but i do disagree to some extent.

The way i read your post is that anyone who says "Hey mining can be a fun for the social aspect (granted it should include a hefty amount of beer), or says that running missions can bring a decent and easy income is wrong.

There are people who do enjoy these activities, and think that others might enjoy them as well. Is it bad to suggest that a new players should do "nothing" but these things? Of course!
But saying that its wrong that its even being suggested, and indicating that people who suggest these things to a new player is doing something wrong, is also bad in my opinion.

Besides...If a new player comes into EVE, gets told to mine and don't even try to look for other activities or options within EVE, even if they cant stand mining...Well honestly i don't think they would last long in the game anyway since it does not cater to people who does not want to think for them selfes and come up with their own goal, play style and ways to archive this.

Oh trust me i do not disagree with the fact that at times people can give some..advices to new players that i don't fully (or at all) agree with. Thus i said i disagree to some extent, instead of i disagree completely

I have seen the rookie chat on very few occasions, and needless to say, i do not have a wish to see it more often since im sure that i would pull out every single straw of hair i have if i had to spend any extended amount of time in there trying to figure out who where trolling, who is asking serius questions and who is giving bad advice purely because they don't know any better

I don't know any way of encouraging new players to leave the NPC corps.. There is a lot of conflicting feelings around when someone is "ready" to join a corp, and i think many new players feel that they are not... "worth enough" to join a player corp until they have X amount of skills or have played for X amount of time. This is something i have especially noticed lately.
Before i would see a lot of brand new players (2 days - 1 week) try to join our corp, but now it seems like most recruits have spent at least a month or two in the NPC corp, and i tend to hear the same thing over and over again; I wanted to know what i was doing before i joined a corp or I wanted to have enough skills to be useful in whatever corp i joined.

I will fully support a player taking their time with finding a corp (with that i mean don't join the first corp that is willing to accept you), but if somehow new players are getting the idea that they "have to" stay in the NPC corp for at least a month because no one wants them i can see how that can ruin many new players desire to keep playing EVE.

The skill system alone is difficult to get used to for many players (how many times have you heard "It takes so long to train for a cruiser!!!!), so if you take that and add it in with "Oh and you have to spend at least a month in an NPC corp doing nothing but mainly solo stuff and if you want to stay sane you turn blink off on corp chat!"...Needless to say that it must feel rather..demoralizing.
So from here people have two choices...Stay in the NPC corp until they feel they are good enough to join a corp, or just create a solo corp to get some peace. Neither option is really optimal for the average online game player, since most (not all) play online games for the social aspect.

Well at least thats my guess on it, but honestly the only people who can really answer why new players spend their entire EVE life in NPC corps, are the people who do it. And i don't think the average NPC corp member venture onto the forums that often so there really is no way of knowing unless CCP goes and asks them directly

Consult CCP what is or isn't EvE...

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Careers