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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-04-03 20:56:52 UTC
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
J'Poll wrote:


I like your idea where there is a group of veteran players that sign up and serf as 1-on-1 Help chat people. I would totally sign up to that, it works great together with my ship spinning profession.


Yea your basically in the same situation as i am. I have no problem at all talking to random new players on on one, and since the common joke in the corp is that i wouldent even know how to undock i have plenty of time to chat. But then ofc im also very limited in what i would feel comfterbale teaching a new player. And ofc i have the language issues to consider Lol

But it would requiere CCP to implement some way for the new players to..rate the person they are talking to, purely to ensure that the people who sign up actually DO try to help and is giving valid information, and checking over the list on a monthly basis to ensure that the players in question are still playing/actually talking to people.
Would have to be several for each profession tho, both to cover timezones and ofc the fact that a person cant be online and available 24/7.

PS. If my posts are very odd and makes little sense the last few days.. im going on a severe lack of sleep so its more difficult then usual to formulate and transelate what im thinking into english. Sorry in advance.


The fun thing...ISD being a volunteer part made out of normal players...they are multi national and thus have the language issue too.

And although I really like the idea and work of ISD:STAR. I think they should recruit a good extra amount of people and focus more on 1v1 guidance. Sure, have some people monitor the (rookie) help channel. But at times I see 3 or 4 ISD guys in there, which makes me think...why don't 2 / 3 of those offer 1v1 chats while the last one mainly monitors the help channels for rule breaking.

The help channels, specially Rookie help, is "spammed" way too much. Some people don't have the time to read the answer to their question before it scrolls off screen and some questions aren't even answered because they disappeared too fast before someone noticed them.

So...CCP (and ISD) think about offering a lot of 1v1 help to new players, by official people or with the help from the General population of EVE and just monitor those who help to be good at it.

1v1 help offers a lot more to new players then the "I must scroll up like a mad-man to find the answer" help channels.
The amount of times I open a private convo with new players if I make a new account myself and hang around in Rookie help and get massive thank you's from those new players is not countable anymore. They really enjoy talking to a single person who takes all the time he needs to answer their questions and not having to worry nobody saw it.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#82 - 2013-04-03 21:03:20 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Davith en Divalone wrote:


WoW is also the curve-breaker and probably shouldn't be treated separately.

But 80% of WoW's mission PvE model (90% before Cata) involved the same 6 missions with different spawns and flavor text.

* Kill anonymous monsters.
* Kill named monsters.
* Collect n items.
* Throw n switches and survive the effects.
* Escort that character.
* Deliver this to there.

Every once in a while, you get a mob that has CC.


Not to mention that WoW more or less went from a subscription based model to Free to play and Pay 2 win idea where you can only access certain stuff when you pay...but up to a point you can play it for free, only to keep attracting new players.


Are you sure this is WOW and not TSW? As far as i know WOW is still only free up to level 20, while TSW moved from a subscription to a optional subscription that will grant you aces to some seperate quests, points to use in the shop and free pets and similar.

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Bud Austrene
Secure Haven
#83 - 2013-04-03 21:06:38 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
J'Poll wrote:


I like your idea where there is a group of veteran players that sign up and serf as 1-on-1 Help chat people. I would totally sign up to that, it works great together with my ship spinning profession.


Yea your basically in the same situation as i am. I have no problem at all talking to random new players on on one, and since the common joke in the corp is that i wouldent even know how to undock i have plenty of time to chat. But then ofc im also very limited in what i would feel comfterbale teaching a new player. And ofc i have the language issues to consider Lol

But it would requiere CCP to implement some way for the new players to..rate the person they are talking to, purely to ensure that the people who sign up actually DO try to help and is giving valid information, and checking over the list on a monthly basis to ensure that the players in question are still playing/actually talking to people.
Would have to be several for each profession tho, both to cover timezones and ofc the fact that a person cant be online and available 24/7.

PS. If my posts are very odd and makes little sense the last few days.. im going on a severe lack of sleep so its more difficult then usual to formulate and transelate what im thinking into english. Sorry in advance.


The fun thing...ISD being a volunteer part made out of normal players...they are multi national and thus have the language issue too.

And although I really like the idea and work of ISD:STAR. I think they should recruit a good extra amount of people and focus more on 1v1 guidance. Sure, have some people monitor the (rookie) help channel. But at times I see 3 or 4 ISD guys in there, which makes me think...why don't 2 / 3 of those offer 1v1 chats while the last one mainly monitors the help channels for rule breaking.

The help channels, specially Rookie help, is "spammed" way too much. Some people don't have the time to read the answer to their question before it scrolls off screen and some questions aren't even answered because they disappeared too fast before someone noticed them.

So...CCP (and ISD) think about offering a lot of 1v1 help to new players, by official people or with the help from the General population of EVE and just monitor those who help to be good at it.

1v1 help offers a lot more to new players then the "I must scroll up like a mad-man to find the answer" help channels.
The amount of times I open a private convo with new players if I make a new account myself and hang around in Rookie help and get massive thank you's from those new players is not countable anymore. They really enjoy talking to a single person who takes all the time he needs to answer their questions and not having to worry nobody saw it.


This looks to me like you are in favor of giving the new player better guidance also.

Yes I am an alt. I see no reason to make it easy for bullies and greifers

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#84 - 2013-04-03 21:12:16 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Bud Austrene wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
J'Poll wrote:


I like your idea where there is a group of veteran players that sign up and serf as 1-on-1 Help chat people. I would totally sign up to that, it works great together with my ship spinning profession.


Yea your basically in the same situation as i am. I have no problem at all talking to random new players on on one, and since the common joke in the corp is that i wouldent even know how to undock i have plenty of time to chat. But then ofc im also very limited in what i would feel comfterbale teaching a new player. And ofc i have the language issues to consider Lol

But it would requiere CCP to implement some way for the new players to..rate the person they are talking to, purely to ensure that the people who sign up actually DO try to help and is giving valid information, and checking over the list on a monthly basis to ensure that the players in question are still playing/actually talking to people.
Would have to be several for each profession tho, both to cover timezones and ofc the fact that a person cant be online and available 24/7.

PS. If my posts are very odd and makes little sense the last few days.. im going on a severe lack of sleep so its more difficult then usual to formulate and transelate what im thinking into english. Sorry in advance.


The fun thing...ISD being a volunteer part made out of normal players...they are multi national and thus have the language issue too.

And although I really like the idea and work of ISD:STAR. I think they should recruit a good extra amount of people and focus more on 1v1 guidance. Sure, have some people monitor the (rookie) help channel. But at times I see 3 or 4 ISD guys in there, which makes me think...why don't 2 / 3 of those offer 1v1 chats while the last one mainly monitors the help channels for rule breaking.

The help channels, specially Rookie help, is "spammed" way too much. Some people don't have the time to read the answer to their question before it scrolls off screen and some questions aren't even answered because they disappeared too fast before someone noticed them.

So...CCP (and ISD) think about offering a lot of 1v1 help to new players, by official people or with the help from the General population of EVE and just monitor those who help to be good at it.

1v1 help offers a lot more to new players then the "I must scroll up like a mad-man to find the answer" help channels.
The amount of times I open a private convo with new players if I make a new account myself and hang around in Rookie help and get massive thank you's from those new players is not countable anymore. They really enjoy talking to a single person who takes all the time he needs to answer their questions and not having to worry nobody saw it.


This looks to me like you are in favor of giving the new player better guidance also.


Better guidance by helping new players find their way...yes.

Better guidance by changing EVE into a theme part rollercoaster....NO

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Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

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Oraac Ensor
#85 - 2013-04-04 11:51:28 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Now the challenge is how and when I can get them to play EvE (or for anyone wanting to play EvE, as playing it alone with strangers isn't fun).

On the contrary - it's tremendous fun.
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#86 - 2013-04-04 11:52:02 UTC
I have deleted numerous off-topic posts from this thread. This is not WOW New Citizens Q&A.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#87 - 2013-04-04 13:16:48 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Now the challenge is how and when I can get them to play EvE (or for anyone wanting to play EvE, as playing it alone with strangers isn't fun).

On the contrary - it's tremendous fun.


This.

I started alone but now have a group of about 20 guys in EVE that I will class as friends.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2013-04-04 23:38:15 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
I have deleted numerous off-topic posts from this thread. This is not WOW New Citizens Q&A.


The point is in all of this is: players need to stick with EvE and communicate it in terms new players can understand, and not insult where players came or their preferences. Quickest way to diss a gamer is to tell them that what they played (and their friends and/or family) was a mistake. That's a value judgement that has no place in a newbie forum, as many EvE players play many games, too.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2013-04-04 23:56:32 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Now the challenge is how and when I can get them to play EvE (or for anyone wanting to play EvE, as playing it alone with strangers isn't fun).

On the contrary - it's tremendous fun.


This.

I started alone but now have a group of about 20 guys in EVE that I will class as friends.


On the contrary coming from more social games, you don't even leave them without friends and family. Big smile

You may start gaming alone, but wind up playing with a group. And that group plays together. It's why EvE and other games have buddy programs as well -- it's much more fun playing with those you know.

And in EvE it's actually very beneficial, due to the scheming/thieving allowed in the game. So it's best to start this game with people you know and trust.

Remember, new players don't come from games that allow such game rules, too. There's no cops and GMs won't return things stolen. That's difficult for new players to get used too. So it very, very, very wise that they come with friends/family.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Oraac Ensor
#90 - 2013-04-05 11:11:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Oraac Ensor
Ace Uoweme wrote:
On the contrary coming from more social games, you don't even leave them without friends and family.
Please translate this into some form of standard English.

And why are you so obsessed with talking about OTHER games? This is an EVE Online forum.

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You may start gaming alone, but wind up playing with a group.
I very much doubt that. Don't be so arrogant as to presume to tell me what I will or will not do. Playing computer games is something I do when I don't want to socialise.

Quote:
It's why EvE and other games have buddy programs as well --
Ha, ha! Don't be so naïve.

Quote:
-- it's much more fun playing with those you know.
Again, don't be so arrogant - you might find it more fun, but that doesn't mean everyone else will.

Quote:
And in EvE it's actually very beneficial, due to the scheming/thieving allowed in the game. So it's best to start this game with people you know and trust.

Remember, new players don't come from games that allow such game rules, too. There's no cops and GMs won't return things stolen. That's difficult for new players to get used too.
Irrelevant. When you start a new game (or any other sort of activity) you learn its rules. Making assumptions based on what you might have found elsewhere is just plain stupid and has nothing to do with whether you play with or without others.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#91 - 2013-04-05 16:36:36 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
CCP Eterne wrote:
I have deleted numerous off-topic posts from this thread. This is not WOW New Citizens Q&A.


The point is in all of this is: players need to stick with EvE and communicate it in terms new players can understand, and not insult where players came or their preferences. Quickest way to diss a gamer is to tell them that what they played (and their friends and/or family) was a mistake. That's a value judgement that has no place in a newbie forum, as many EvE players play many games, too.


Hmz, think you just didn't see our points.

We never told that playing any other game then EVE is a mistake. Plenty of people like to play other games (me included) other then EVE.

The issue that we tried to point out is that you shouldn't be playing EVE like it is another game. Play EVE in it's own way as it's is a different game then "insert name of another game here".

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#92 - 2013-04-05 16:41:15 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Ace Uoweme wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Now the challenge is how and when I can get them to play EvE (or for anyone wanting to play EvE, as playing it alone with strangers isn't fun).

On the contrary - it's tremendous fun.


This.

I started alone but now have a group of about 20 guys in EVE that I will class as friends.


On the contrary coming from more social games, you don't even leave them without friends and family. Big smile

You may start gaming alone, but wind up playing with a group. And that group plays together. It's why EvE and other games have buddy programs as well -- it's much more fun playing with those you know.

And in EvE it's actually very beneficial, due to the scheming/thieving allowed in the game. So it's best to start this game with people you know and trust.

Remember, new players don't come from games that allow such game rules, too. There's no cops and GMs won't return things stolen. That's difficult for new players to get used too. So it very, very, very wise that they come with friends/family.


EVE's buddy invite is indeed to get friends into the game. But it doesn't mean that starting it without means you can't make friends.

Sure, scamming etc is allowed, but if you use your brain and logical thinking you kind of can see through any possible scam or bad person that is out there.

I have helped my fair share of new players to get them on the road in EVE. I do it because I like to do it and ask nothing in return. Sure there are others out there that don't, but in general by the way people react to you should already give away their intentions.

And the big "issue" with EVE is that your own style of conversation towards others is reflected back to you. If you act like a jerk, be prepared to be treated like one by others. Act like a nice and laid back guy and people will be happy to help / chat with you.

Any new game I personally start. I take my time to learn what the game mechanics are in that game, I look up what is and isn't possible and how the rules are in that game. If you fail to do any research about EVE before you start...well you will have to learn it the hard way then.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

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Karle Tabot
State War Academy
Caldari State
#93 - 2013-04-05 17:15:28 UTC
Just one man's opinion here, so take it as you will.

It is not helpful to have someone tell me:
1) Eve is a sandbox - yadda yadda yadda
2) Go google it - yadda yadda yadda
3) For you guys to argue with each other


What is very helpful is to read detailed posts about whatever aspect of the game it is that YOU know a lot about, and/or are really interested in, and are willing to share in detail with the public.

By reading those type posts I can learn about that aspect of the game, and get a boost to engaging in that type gameplay if it appeals to me. I can best choose which of such posts to read if they are properly titled. Being properly titled means they accurately inform me what the post/thread will be about.

All of you who give of your time and knowledge here are appreciated by me, and I am very certain, many. Your posts and insights and thoughts and information are pure gold to newer players, and likely even to veterans.

Do not let the time and effort be wasted. Focus it to your audience. Your audience is here to learn about the game, not about pettiness.
Oraac Ensor
#94 - 2013-04-05 17:55:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Oraac Ensor
Karle Tabot wrote:
It is not helpful . . .

3) For you guys to argue with each other.

This is the newbie help forum.

So when someone comes on here spouting self-opinionated rubbish presented as undeniable fact, you think the most helpful thing the rest of us can do for newbies is keep quiet, for fear of starting an argument.

An interesting point of view, but I don't quite see how it would work.
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2013-04-05 18:25:07 UTC
Karle Tabot wrote:

What is very helpful is to read detailed posts about whatever aspect of the game it is that YOU know a lot about, and/or are really interested in, and are willing to share in detail with the public.

I agree with you but the issue is that often times someone who believes strongly in their opinion may be wrong in reality. We see it all the time (and I am often incorrect in my beliefs about how things in the game work even though I certain they worked a different way) so it is important to step in and clarify / point out where their information is incorrect.

EVE is a great game due to its complexities and open-endedness. This, in turn, leads to around five hundred thousand different opinions on how things can be done. Since opinions are opinions it is good to discuss them openly and frankly.

What I don't like is when people come along and pull an attitude thing especially in this forum. This is a forum about helping and assistance so the "I'm holier than thou" attitude should be checked at the door and left out of it.

But, unfortunately, that kind of attitude can sometimes creep in regardless of good intentions.

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Do not let the time and effort be wasted. Focus it to your audience. Your audience is here to learn about the game, not about pettiness.

Once again, I agree with this statement. We should all keep it in mind that while we are posting in this the New Citizens forum we should be realizing that we are volunteering to be helpful - as such, try to be helpful.
ISD Etetia
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2013-04-05 19:15:26 UTC
J'Poll wrote:

So...CCP (and ISD) think about offering a lot of 1v1 help to new players, by official people or with the help from the General population of EVE and just monitor those who help to be good at it.

1v1 help offers a lot more to new players then the "I must scroll up like a mad-man to find the answer" help channels.
The amount of times I open a private convo with new players if I make a new account myself and hang around in Rookie help and get massive thank you's from those new players is not countable anymore. They really enjoy talking to a single person who takes all the time he needs to answer their questions and not having to worry nobody saw it.


Hi J'Poll

I'm from ISD:STAR, and you are absolutely right, that engaging with new players in 1on1 conversations is a good idea.
Which is why, that's exactly what we are doing, and have been doing since 2004

We contact new players randomly, ask them how they are doing, have a nice little chat, and answer any questions they might have.

About 2 years ago, CCP even invested in hiring additional manpower, who focus on doing new player greetings, and answering questions in special 1 on 1 sessions, just like ISD:STAR.

We cannot contact every new player since there's simply so many new trials created every day, but we try to contact as many people as possible, and the response from players is generally very positive.

Just because you've only noticed us in Help channels, dosen't mean we aren't doing other stuff as well Blink

ISD Etetia

Commander

ISD STAR / CCL Affiliate
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#97 - 2013-04-05 19:54:53 UTC
ISD Etetia wrote:
J'Poll wrote:

So...CCP (and ISD) think about offering a lot of 1v1 help to new players, by official people or with the help from the General population of EVE and just monitor those who help to be good at it.

1v1 help offers a lot more to new players then the "I must scroll up like a mad-man to find the answer" help channels.
The amount of times I open a private convo with new players if I make a new account myself and hang around in Rookie help and get massive thank you's from those new players is not countable anymore. They really enjoy talking to a single person who takes all the time he needs to answer their questions and not having to worry nobody saw it.


Hi J'Poll

I'm from ISD:STAR, and you are absolutely right, that engaging with new players in 1on1 conversations is a good idea.
Which is why, that's exactly what we are doing, and have been doing since 2004

We contact new players randomly, ask them how they are doing, have a nice little chat, and answer any questions they might have.

About 2 years ago, CCP even invested in hiring additional manpower, who focus on doing new player greetings, and answering questions in special 1 on 1 sessions, just like ISD:STAR.

We cannot contact every new player since there's simply so many new trials created every day, but we try to contact as many people as possible, and the response from players is generally very positive.

Just because you've only noticed us in Help channels, dosen't mean we aren't doing other stuff as well Blink


If you (CCP and ISD) dont have the manpower to manage all the new guys....get help from the community. ISD/CCP can be the monitoring entity for those who enroll for new player mentoring to garantuee that mentors behave in appropriate ways.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
ISD Etetia
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2013-04-05 21:34:50 UTC
J'Poll wrote:

If you (CCP and ISD) dont have the manpower to manage all the new guys....get help from the community. ISD/CCP can be the monitoring entity for those who enroll for new player mentoring to garantuee that mentors behave in appropriate ways.


We are using the community Big smile
I am part of the EVE Online community, and so are my fellow ISD collagues

Please apply at http://community.eveonline.com/community/volunteer-program/ if you are +18 years old, and would like to help out.
If this isn't something for you, it's still possible for players to simply hang out in the official help channel, or rookie systems, and talk to new players, be friendly, and help them out.

ISD Etetia

Commander

ISD STAR / CCL Affiliate
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#99 - 2013-04-05 22:02:18 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
Thread locked for cleanup.

Ed: Never mind on the lock/cleanup, the thread is already getting plenty of ISD and CCP attention. I would, however, like to remind everyone of a few forum rules, in particular the bolded one:

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2. Be respectful toward others at all times.

The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others.

4. Personal attacks are prohibited.

Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.

5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.

18. New player bashing will not be tolerated.

New members of the EVE Online community are encouraged to use, but are not restricted to the EVE New Citizens Q&A forum. This forum is specifically designed to provide a platform for those who are new to the EVE community to ask questions and learn more about EVE. More experienced forum users are encouraged to participate by assisting new players with helpful and courteous responses. All flaming, trolling and posts of a derogatory nature will be deleted, and will be considered a severe breach of the forum rules.

22. Post constructively.

Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting.


Technically the off-topic forum rule should also apply, but as there is good discussion even on another topic it is being let slide.

tl;dr: I am not taking any moderation actions at this time, but I would like to remind everyone to stay civil and constructuve.

ISD LackOfFaith

Captain

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums.
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#100 - 2013-04-06 06:34:23 UTC
ISD Etetia wrote:
J'Poll wrote:

If you (CCP and ISD) dont have the manpower to manage all the new guys....get help from the community. ISD/CCP can be the monitoring entity for those who enroll for new player mentoring to garantuee that mentors behave in appropriate ways.


We are using the community Big smile
I am part of the EVE Online community, and so are my fellow ISD collagues

Please apply at http://community.eveonline.com/community/volunteer-program/ if you are +18 years old, and would like to help out.
If this isn't something for you, it's still possible for players to simply hang out in the official help channel, or rookie systems, and talk to new players, be friendly, and help them out.


I once applied to ISD (years ago) and got invited for an interview, then I realised that being ISD only has downsides in the way that you can't be online with other accounts at the same time and also that you always have to be politically correct and super friendly, not really traits of mine if I'm dealing with an idiot/troll. Apart from that my knowledge on EVE is good but slightly focussed in the way that I'm clueless on many advanced carebearisms. It's mostly the accounts issue though, I don't care for the "power" that comes with Cyan text and I don't need the "ego boost" from being official in any way but I do like to help out newer players who put in the effort to get ahead.

As such I'm almost always in help channel, be it on different characters, and I tend to make rookie accounts just to help out there as well. I really do think that there should be a third state where hand picked players can join rookie channel without having any official flag, corp, colours or powers.