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NO more selling PLEX

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yodayblack
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#21 - 2013-04-26 15:28:13 UTC
Something no one has touched on is how plex sales help all those sites you love. Battleclinc, eve-kill, etc
They sell 60 day gtcs which are converted to two plex and sold on the market. So you take the purchase of plex away you hurt those 3rd party sites that make eve a little bit more fun to show off to your friends. Also plex is pure profit for them. I buy 6 plex a month to sell, 6 people use those plex to add game time. Thats 6 more subs eve has. It helps them because those 6 people werent going to buy a sub from ccp. Now i get a little extra cash for my time which makes my eve play style a little better for the month. That 3 billion isk didnt destroy the game, or make me super god or some ****. So. 7 people got to enjoy eve another month and ccp made about $20 bucks in pure profit that they would not of made with out plex. That adds up really fast to all those ships your flying, and all the devs are getting a paycheck instead of this game disappearing or worst become free to play, which we all know would be pay to win. Also. what do you think is paying for dust? AUR might keep it going but it was Plex sales that help create that game.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#22 - 2013-04-26 16:43:25 UTC
Fortis88 wrote:
What is the point of all these in game professions if all players need to do is swipe the credit card and buy plex out of game then sell it in game for 500 million isk? It really takes away the edge of losing a ship and allows players to be more careless and unrealistic in pvp since they know that their isk "grows on trees". There is no pride in your profession, whether its salvaging, mining, or pirating/looting since all you have to do is just buy more isk when you run out. I believe that the selling of PLEX should be removed from the game.


Isk is not generated from PLEX.

People swipe a credit card to get game time. They then trade that game time to another player for isk (at free-market value). That player spent time in game to accrue that isk, and it is completely up to them whether they wish to trade it or not.

I personally think the implementation of PLEX was brilliant, and certainly don't support removing it from the game!
Fortis88
Caldari Salvage Corp.
#23 - 2013-04-27 00:56:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Fortis88
Well from what I've heard everyone say, (and I cant help but laugh) is that CCP would not be able to pay its employees without the selling of PLEX. So....how did they pay their employees before the selling of PLEX was implemented? With candy? How did they manage to give us free expansions before selling PLEX? Did they work all those years for free?
Cas Dallocort
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-04-27 02:25:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Cas Dallocort
I buy PLEX with real money to fund my game playstyle - I could mine/rat/whatever - I choose not to.

Know why? Because I'm sure as heck not going to chew rocks for however much ISK an hour when I can just pay to play for the time I want to spent in the game having fun. Not going to happen. Who loses out from this? No one. People who enjoy making ingame ISK to fund PLEX's get a reason to do so, and I still get to play. They get to trade, mine, rat, scam whatever they like.

We all get to play EVE in the way we want.

Someone still has to earn the ISK to buy my PLEX, which I then use to buy more stuff on the market to enable me to do what I want in game. These people gain a PLEX, which enables them to do what they want. It's not like I'm taking the ISK away and locking it in a dungeon - It's straight back there payinfg for things, keeping the economy going.

We all get to choose our playstyles, CCP gets to make money (do you work for free?) and we all go home happy bunnies.

Could you please explain how this is not analogous to real life, and how this is in any way a detriment to the game?

It's called a market, a sandbox, a choice.


It's called EVE.
dark heartt
#25 - 2013-04-27 08:21:56 UTC
Fortis88 wrote:
What is the point of all these in game professions if all players need to do is swipe the credit card and buy plex out of game then sell it in game for 500 million isk? It really takes away the edge of losing a ship and allows players to be more careless and unrealistic in pvp since they know that their isk "grows on trees". There is no pride in your profession, whether its salvaging, mining, or pirating/looting since all you have to do is just buy more isk when you run out. I believe that the selling of PLEX should be removed from the game.


You're an idiot. Plex allows people like me who can actually make isk to play the game without paying. Others foot the bill to CCP for us.

If you don't like it, don't use it.

http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-04-27 11:09:53 UTC
Blake Rogers wrote:
Buying PLEX does benefit those who do the real world grind for money, if that's how they choose to spend it. Arguably EVEs real time skill system also benefits those with other commitments. I have no problem with it, and given the average EVE player is an older gamer, I think it's a good match.


Did a double-take at this, solely because your character has the exact same name as the operations manager at the RL company I work for. O_o

Oh, I also agree with your point.
Sravaw
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-04-28 00:48:28 UTC
Fortis88 wrote:
Well from what I've heard everyone say, (and I cant help but laugh) is that CCP would not be able to pay its employees without the selling of PLEX. So....how did they pay their employees before the selling of PLEX was implemented? With candy? How did they manage to give us free expansions before selling PLEX? Did they work all those years for free?


In a word - "Barely."
Javon Bars
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-04-28 01:46:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Javon Bars
Fortis88 wrote:
Well from what I've heard everyone say, (and I cant help but laugh) is that CCP would not be able to pay its employees without the selling of PLEX. So....how did they pay their employees before the selling of PLEX was implemented? With candy? How did they manage to give us free expansions before selling PLEX? Did they work all those years for free?

You're fairly new to the game so it's understandable that you don't know how it was before PLEXes were introduced, despite your ridiculous candy remarks I'll give a serious answer:

Before PLEX were introduced people traded directly in GTC. You bought a GTC and sold it ingame directly for isk. Exact same thing as now except now there's an ingame item that represents it.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#29 - 2013-04-28 14:02:32 UTC
Fortis88 wrote:
Well from what I've heard everyone say, (and I cant help but laugh) is that CCP would not be able to pay its employees without the selling of PLEX. So....how did they pay their employees before the selling of PLEX was implemented? With candy? How did they manage to give us free expansions before selling PLEX? Did they work all those years for free?
I'll do you a favour and give you a little heads up. Stop posting until you have a clue about the subject.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-04-28 20:32:59 UTC
lmfao at the suggestion that you can pay to win in this game

actual player skill trumps everything else by several orders of magnitude

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#31 - 2013-05-02 12:55:01 UTC
Horrible sugestion. The PLEX system is a huge success in the MMO industry.

The Tears Must Flow
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-05-03 23:00:56 UTC
no, plex is one of the things I show to people while explaining the game.


It's balanced and well conceived. I don't and won't support this


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Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)/¯
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-05-04 02:01:35 UTC
Fortis88 wrote:
Well from what I've heard everyone say, (and I cant help but laugh) is that CCP would not be able to pay its employees without the selling of PLEX. So....how did they pay their employees before the selling of PLEX was implemented? With candy? How did they manage to give us free expansions before selling PLEX? Did they work all those years for free?


CCP has allowed the sale of timecodes for isk for as long as I've been playing the game. PLEX themselves are a somewhat newer (August 2008, I think) innovation to streamline the process and bring it entirely ingame.


Frankly, look at it this way: it makes the kills you get all the sweeter if you imagine it cost them real money. I don't really see what your problem is here. Blink

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#34 - 2013-05-04 09:47:29 UTC
Andracin wrote:
No. PLEX is probably one of the smartest things Ive seen an MMO do.


This. They're an incredibly smart solution to a number of problems and I've never seen any argument against them that didn't revolve around some kind of weird purity-test notion that removing them wouldn't instantly result in a massive RMT boom.


"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#35 - 2013-05-04 09:51:10 UTC
Javon Bars wrote:
Fortis88 wrote:
Well from what I've heard everyone say, (and I cant help but laugh) is that CCP would not be able to pay its employees without the selling of PLEX. So....how did they pay their employees before the selling of PLEX was implemented? With candy? How did they manage to give us free expansions before selling PLEX? Did they work all those years for free?

You're fairly new to the game so it's understandable that you don't know how it was before PLEXes were introduced, despite your ridiculous candy remarks I'll give a serious answer:

Before PLEX were introduced people traded directly in GTC. You bought a GTC and sold it ingame directly for isk. Exact same thing as now except now there's an ingame item that represents it.


Just FYI, I've already told him this, and even showed him that there was a GTC trade forum on the EVE-O website before PLEX were introduced. Despite this, he maintained that GTC trading wasn't permitted by CCP.

He's not someone to be persuaded out of his ideas by little things like "facts", "evidence" or "reason".

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Theia Matova
Dominance Theory
#36 - 2013-05-11 15:02:13 UTC
Andracin wrote:
No. PLEX is probably one of the smartest things Ive seen an MMO do. In every other MMO people have to buy game money from RMT traders if they want a quick step up. Here it is much easier to legitimately do it and support CCP rather than some chinese criminal enterprise, which reduces the number of RMT accounts wrecking the economy. It also rewards players who dedicate time in the game by letting them play for "free". Name one other MMO that you can pay in-game currency for game time...
As for people who waste isk on ship after ship full of shiny...well being a pirate I say bring it on...there is nothing like catching an entirely blinging mission runner trying his luck in low sec...money can buy ships but it don't buy skill...


@ Andracin, its really good thing that I do agree with you however. I also see concern of the original poster of "ships" growing in trees.

I am torn apart. I do see that plexer pilots upkeep the prices of the hulls and waste them. Yet I hope there was less involvement of RL money in the game.

@OP, currently plexers can keep the economy flowing and this could not be removed or it would destroy the economy. Yet I wish something could be done to that player could not simply just replace everything they lost with plex. It evolves irresponsible people that do deserve to die :p

Sorry but I can't really side either ways since I see issues with both. I wish plex could be adjusted somehow that it was not as immediate as it is today but well I do not have solution how this be achieved.
Shadow' Broker
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2013-06-29 14:48:12 UTC
Fortis88 wrote:
What is the point of all these in game professions if all players need to do is swipe the credit card and buy plex out of game then sell it in game for 500 million isk? It really takes away the edge of losing a ship and allows players to be more careless and unrealistic in pvp since they know that their isk "grows on trees". There is no pride in your profession, whether its salvaging, mining, or pirating/looting since all you have to do is just buy more isk when you run out. I believe that the selling of PLEX should be removed from the game.


Money grows on trees?

Are you Paris Hilton?
Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#38 - 2013-06-29 20:18:15 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
See what happened? You got trolled by RL poor ppl who play internet spaceship game for free. Some ppl are RL rich, they're known here in Eve as noobs, others are RL poor, known as 1337 vets. Here, bums make fun of normal ppl. Don't take that away from them.Cool


THIS.....


Circle of Life..... the new player will eventually become the old timer once he figures things out in game a bit, and it will all work out... sort of like a long term life insurance policy that you maintain to the end.... someone will collect it!!
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-06-30 11:59:38 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
Let me tell you what would happen in my instance if they stopped PLEX sales.

I would immediately go down to 1 account. $15 a month I can kinda justify for a video game but certainly not $15 x the number I currently run.

Then it would dawn on me that I'm not having any fun with just one character and the last account would probably go.

So...no.



I would just quit altogether to be honest, I pumped around £250 into this game before I started paying with isk bought plex many years ago, that is more than I have ever spent on any game in my life and I will not pay any more for it. So, I pay with in game money to play, CCP still get paid there real money and everyone is happy.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2013-06-30 12:00:53 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
See what happened? You got trolled by RL poor ppl who play internet spaceship game for free. Some ppl are RL rich, they're known here in Eve as noobs, others are RL poor, known as 1337 vets. Here, bums make fun of normal ppl. Don't take that away from them.Cool


THIS.....


Circle of Life..... the new player will eventually become the old timer once he figures things out in game a bit, and it will all work out... sort of like a long term life insurance policy that you maintain to the end.... someone will collect it!!


Then he'll get addicted to the game, his RL will go down the toilet, and he'll become one of those 1337 vets who funds their gaming with plex but bum around in real life. Then the circle will be complete!

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