Ships & Modules

How many target painters are you using on your SNI? I only used one on my SNI, but never tried to use two or more... it has the room for them though.

I don't use an ASB.

I will give it a try. If it make running L4s faster, I am all for it.

You dont need two, honestly The ship has enough firepower to either a) not need it at all or b) it if DOES all go **** up, peel the scrammers off with precisions and warp out (you'll know yourself when it's going **** up early on). Using two is safer but contrary to the 'minimum possible tank' doctrine



@Bi-Mi: You use two on the SNI because it does make quite the difference to damage application. Also, if you already have the CNR, might as well try my fit too, you'll be pleasantly surprised . Angel extravaganza is a good one to use it on to get the feel for it (not bonus pocket). You can run through that without even pulsing the booster with the fit - it'll allow you to get a feel for the pace of the boat.


I was hijacked whilst drafting this, so I'll add @Egravant Alduin: Stop trying for a cap stable (L4) mission boat. You don't need it to be so and what it takes to get it there screws severely with your ability to deal damage.

IMO:

Deadspace booster isn't required. A T2 booster will do just as well on the Scorpion as it has such a strong tank. Expensive deadspace boosters should be saved for super pimped ships or where the only way it fits fro CPU and PG is to go deadspace. Faction Boosters (caldari navy, dread guristas) will save a ton of ISK over deapdspace ones too and give fitting benefits over T2.

4 x Hardeners is quite a lot of tank. I generally run 1 adaptive (T2) and one or two rat specific ones (so Kinetic or Kin + Therm for Guristas)

This gives you an extra mid slot which can be useful for providing some utility. Mission has distant warp gates? Fit afterburner. Lots of frigates? fit web. Lots of cruisers? Fit extra painter...

Drone Link Augmenter only really helps with Sentry Drone setups. Most frigates that your drones will fight will be way inside your drone control range, though it is sometimes useful, especially if your drone range is low.

Rigs should always be Rigors and Flares on large missile using ships. You could maybe run 1 of each and a CCC, but I would think you'll get better performance out of 2 Rigor, 1 Flare or 1 of each and mess around with options - you could put an EM Shield Hardener in and just use Invulnerability hardener mids for omni tank strength (handy if you're lazy about refitting for rat specific resists or for incursions where you'll want to look at 80% omni tank)

again... IMO


*edit* based on your example fit you posted, this fits with skills at V. Near 100k EHP and cap stable at 69% without the booster running. You can pimp or substitute less fitting intensive modules to suit your wallet, skills and preferences.

[Scorpion Navy Issue]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II

X-Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Target Painter II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Finally...someone else gets it. This is a slight variation of the fit I posted on page 1. THIS is how you fit a SNI.



I've not seen (or tried) a MJD on the SNI. I've seen many Rattlesnakes use it effectively, but the Rattler relies much more heavily on drone damage, and is a different play style. It would be interesting to see how well it works on a SNI.

Missile damage is calculated using Explosion Velocity and Explosion Radius measured against your targets Velocity and Signature Radius.

Cruisers have a smaller signature radius and greater velocity than Battleships, so the calculation will end up that your large missile does less damage to cruisers than battleships.

This effect is most apparent if you shoot cruise missiles at a frigate... the target is too small and too fast for a large missile to be effective, so it does less damage.

Rigor rigs increase the applied damage you do to targets with smaller signature radius
Flare rigs increase the applied damage you do to targets with higher velocities.

It doesn't show a difference in EFT but it does make a difference in practice.

Out of curiosity, I altered my current fit in EFT to use a DCII instead of a 4th BCU. I lost 50 DPS and gained < 4% to each of the resists I had a hardener active in. I don't think <4% resist is worth the loss of 50 DPS TBH, unless someone is going to argue otherwise?

Also, a Drone Link is more important than a Tractor, because you should be using a dedicated salvager and the SNI drone bay is large enough to fit 3 Garde IIs which take your DPS over 900 with Lvl 5 skills.

An extra 50 paper DPS is nothing for a missile-based Battleship. Drop that 4th BCU and you're not going to notice a difference in damage output. Guaranteed.

Caldari Battleship Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to shield resistance per level.

However, adding a Damage Control II is like adding a free level of Caldari Battleship. The benefits of additional resists not only add tank, it increases the amount of shield recovered when using the booster, and gives flexibility in the mid slots because you don't lose much tank if you run 2 or 3 hardeners instead of 4.

This is my view also. 50 DPS is 50 DPS. On a hull that does just over 800 DPS, it's still significant enough to warrant including IMHO.

But you haven't answered why you need that much tank. I comfortably run L4 missions in a navy Raven with a 5 slot tank - Large shield booster, SBA, and 3 hardeners. I could probably even drop a hardener for all but 2 or 3 missions.

With its tanking bonus the SNI should only be dedicating 4 or even 3 slots to its tank. With only 6 launchers and 4 lowslots the last thing you want to do is waste a precious lowslot on even more tank. If you want to argue that the 4th lowslot should be a DDA instead of a 4th BCS you're probably right, but putting a DC there is a complete waste. It's only going to slow you down.