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Sounds like the pre-election qualifying system was not ready for prime time
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#1 - 2013-03-30 17:12:34 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Last week at least 1 candidate was told he was qualified then got the rug pulled out from under him after he annouced he was qualified:
CCP Dolan wrote:

I would like to apologize for an error in our mailing system for the CSM8 pre-election. We discovered that our system had resulted in some false positives for our Thursday mail. From here on I will personally be reporting the daily votes of every member running for the CSM8 pre-election. I cannot apologize enough for this error, and hope that you will be understanding as we implement this new election system.

Your current vote count:
Riverini: 138

Once again we cannot apologize enough for this error. I will continue to provide daily updates at 1330 GMT of your vote count.

-CCP Dolan





Specifically I have to ask CCP Dolan what is the false positives in this instanceQuestion
Is it because one can be endorsed past 200 then unendorsed?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#2 - 2013-03-31 00:26:39 UTC
Where there electronic hanging chads? Big smile
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#3 - 2013-03-31 02:37:06 UTC
Is this not a bigger issue? Makes it look like bias towards existing power blocks?

CCP Fozzies reply to Mynnna

There are some good arguments for this, but I would say the focus should have been reversed to spread and widen the initial field, that should also get more votes, since the promo foot work would be done by a larger field of candidates?

I think CCP shot themselves in the foot a bit with this choice?
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#4 - 2013-03-31 06:00:23 UTC
CCP Fozies twitter wrote:

CCP Fozzie ‏@CCP_Fozzie 8h @midi2304 @notRichter
We'll be happy to have a CSM that is representative of the voters. And that will be the case no matter what.


Xander Phoena ‏@midi2304 8h @CCP_Fozzie @notrichter
Representative of the voters or representative of the player base? Because those aren't the same thing.


CCP Fozzie ‏@CCP_Fozzie 7h @midi2304 @notRichter
True, and something we never forget. However we'll take representative of the voters over nothing at all any day.



IMHO I think CCP is shorting the player base thus giving us a few VERY narrow slate and now the traditional voters (BLOCkS predominately NULL SEC ) not the player base have lots of candidates thanks to the current set up

Quote:

CCP Fozzie
‏@CCP_Fozzie 6h @mynnna_eve
The focus on the main election is intentional yes, no need to push the non-hardcore to vote twice.


and the non Hard Core to nearly not vote at all Ugh
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-03-31 06:04:58 UTC
https://twitter.com/PoeticStanziel/status/318165683047374848

Same "you're qualified lol jk" thing happened to Sgurd Battersea as well.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
None ofthe Above
#6 - 2013-03-31 16:34:39 UTC
The ability to unendorse candidates days after they are declared qualified is ill-conceived and frankly a mistake.

Notably, it is something that just showed and not at all discussed prior to being deployed or people would have been able to tell them ahead of time what an issue this would be.

While the feature may make some sense in giving users a chance to recover from errors, it definitely should have been locked in some short time after the endorsement is cast. 24 hours at most.



The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#7 - 2013-03-31 16:40:22 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
The ability to unendorse candidates days after they are declared qualified is ill-conceived and frankly a mistake.


Agreed. It's a bad mechanic. All that's really needed is an "Are you sure? This Endorsement cannot be changed" dialogue box.

I can just about see an arguement for allowing people to withdraw an endorsement, but by no means should they be allowed to then endorse a new candidate.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Frying Doom
#8 - 2013-03-31 16:42:20 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:


Quote:

CCP Fozzie
‏@CCP_Fozzie 6h @mynnna_eve
The focus on the main election is intentional yes, no need to push the non-hardcore to vote twice.


and the non Hard Core to nearly not vote at all Ugh

It will be fine according to Two Step, its just me who is having trouble with the new voting system and not a lot of people.

Of Course my big problem is why they would bring in a voting system that will hand the CSM to NULL with out barely a whimper from the rest of the game excluding Wormholes ofc.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#9 - 2013-03-31 18:26:11 UTC
Personally I feel that Market and Industry is highly under represented. The only real exception imho is Mynnna.

This also relates to the more casual players and new player base.

The lack of non eve client representation is also an issue imho.

What about pure metagame, DUST, and related topics? All the candidates talk a lot about CSM communications, but not a lot is said about how CCP should improve their focus on these aspects.

A personal WTF is why cant the client automatically log into evegate and eve-o forums? And why dont we have direct links from character info to the IGB Evegate entry? How about a few added features to make mini-blogging possible on evegate? With comment function that players and corps can moderate themselves?

Especially in times like election and tournaments this might be really helpful and a tool that might improve some of the playerbases activity in metagame. A sort of ccp introduction to metagame.

Also shift or control to open links in out of client browse would be really helpfull.

Ok I got a bit sidetracked there, but my point was representation on out of client activity will be VITAL for ccps future developments as DUST and potentially more projects integrate into the EVE brand.


ALSO CCP!! Y U NO Pen and Paper RPG yet?
None ofthe Above
#10 - 2013-03-31 18:30:35 UTC  |  Edited by: None ofthe Above
Malcanis wrote:
None ofthe Above wrote:
The ability to unendorse candidates days after they are declared qualified is ill-conceived and frankly a mistake.


Agreed. It's a bad mechanic. All that's really needed is an "Are you sure? This Endorsement cannot be changed" dialogue box.

I can just about see an arguement for allowing people to withdraw an endorsement, but by no means should they be allowed to then endorse a new candidate.


I agree with your suggested alternatives. Although I'd have to add allowing the withdrawl of endorsement after the candidate is qualified is problematic and game-able.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
Frying Doom
#11 - 2013-03-31 18:32:01 UTC
Caleb Ayrania wrote:
Personally I feel that Market and Industry is highly under represented. The only real exception imho is Mynnna.

This also relates to the more casual players and new player base.

The lack of non eve client representation is also an issue imho.

What about pure metagame, DUST, and related topics? All the candidates talk a lot about CSM communications, but not a lot is said about how CCP should improve their focus on these aspects.

A personal WTF is why cant the client automatically log into evegate and eve-o forums? And why dont we have direct links from character info to the IGB Evegate entry? How about a few added features to make mini-blogging possible on evegate? With comment function that players and corps can moderate themselves?

Especially in times like election and tournaments this might be really helpful and a tool that might improve some of the playerbases activity in metagame. A sort of ccp introduction to metagame.

Also shift or control to open links in out of client browse would be really helpfull.

Ok I got a bit sidetracked there, but my point was representation on out of client activity will be VITAL for ccps future developments as DUST and potentially more projects integrate into the EVE brand.


ALSO CCP!! Y U NO Pen and Paper RPG yet?

Malcanis is also an industry advocate.

As to a RPG, only if the rules are more complex than the original AD&D

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#12 - 2013-03-31 18:46:33 UTC
Way off topic:

I would like a trinity of shop concepts.

EVE Mineral colored/designed Dice D4 TRT, D6 PYR, D8 MEX etc..

Then EVE themed "Tarot" / standard playing cards, with bonus cards to fit a Tarot.

Then a Pen and Paper based on a variation of the original Deadlands mechanics with cards, Dice and chips.

As a special themed EVE poker chip set It would be based somewhat on Nexus Chips or Aurum Tokens.

Ok back on topic Big smile
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#13 - 2013-03-31 18:57:31 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

Malcanis is also an industry advocate.


Just to clarify: I am by no means an industrialist, but I certainly 100% recognise that "it's the economy, stupid".

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#14 - 2013-03-31 19:02:53 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Malcanis is also an industry advocate.


Just to clarify: I am by no means an industrialist, but I certainly 100% recognise that "it's the economy, stupid".



I personally believe in EVE case its the STUPID ECONOMY! Still too many small flaws in it, that could use a bit of focus.

Also where is the candidate runing on "Stock Exchange" and Better market price datamining? Evil