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Kronos- First try

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-03-30 16:23:20 UTC
So I am about a week away from flying a Kronos (with marauders 4), so I have started playing around with fits.

This would be primarily LVL4 mission fits. I haven't run missions in forever, and when I did it was pretty much always in a Dominix. So I haven't done much PVE with a primarily turret based battleship.

I came up with the fit below playing around. I guess maybe with rails I wouldnt need the MWD. Im not sure about rails vs blasters (blaster DPS is pretty nice in EFT, but the range is sucky).

I didn't know exactly about the cap booster. I think for the short term it was kind of a crutch until I feel comfortable. I get about 2min of cap with guns and armor rep running without the cap booster.

Feel free to give tips, ideas, criticism (constructive or otherwise)

I do plan on running solo, and selectively salvaging as I go.

[Kronos, Mission fit]

Centus C-Type Large Armor Repairer
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II

Tracking Computer II
100MN Microwarpdrive II
Sensor Booster II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I
Salvager I

Large Nanobot Accelerator I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Hammerhead II x5
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-03-30 16:53:50 UTC
Replace sebo with TC, TE with magstab or enam.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-03-30 21:20:31 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Replace sebo with TC, TE with magstab or enam.



Thanks for the feedback.

I am kind of thinking a MWD with rails probably isn't that critical. Probably maybe a MJD with rails and MWD with blasters...
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#4 - 2013-03-30 21:41:38 UTC
Replace MWD with AB. Replace Sebo with faction web.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#5 - 2013-03-30 23:26:57 UTC
Don't really need a web if you're using rails... : /

Would work well on blaster-oriented missions I guess.

thhief ghabmoef

Lina Theist
Running out of Space
ExoGenesis Consortium
#6 - 2013-03-31 00:00:06 UTC
[Kronos, Pimpad]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Corpus X-Type Large Armor Repairer

Imperial Navy Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 25
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Sensor Booster, Targeting Range Script
Federation Navy Tracking Computer, Optimal Range Script

425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II
Salvager II

Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Large Hybrid Locus Coordinator I

Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-03-31 01:26:19 UTC
am I the only one not impressed with a kronos? I spent months getting in one, and was immensely crushed when I discovered it's barely better than a navy thron :\

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.

BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#8 - 2013-03-31 01:47:53 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Replace sebo with TC, TE with magstab or enam.



4 Magstabs is dumb
Joelleaveek
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-03-31 02:18:31 UTC
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
Don't really need a web if you're using rails... : /

Would work well on blaster-oriented missions I guess.


90% web works well with rails, lets you hit the cruiser and destroyers that get to close, helps your drones kill the frigs that get to close too.

i go with Ab, web. TC, and one cap recharger for the mids. Faction repper, 3 T2 resists, 3 navy magstabs for the lows.

You'll be able to kill rats quick enough that you shouldn't have cap issues, not enough to merit a cap booster imo.
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-03-31 02:53:52 UTC
two mag stabs is enough three is better, navythron doesn't compare.

cap boost only for rep and make the fit stable with the rep off any you are pretty much golden,

[Kronos, this]
Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Core A-Type Large Armor Repairer
Damage Control II
Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener
Shadow Serpentis Armor Thermic Hardener
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

Experimental 100MN Afterburner I
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800

425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Large Nanobot Accelerator I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Salvage Drone I x5
Hammerhead II x5

you can t2 everything on the fit if you like, and not lose very much in terms of damage or speed, but you loose like 400 dps of tank.
for ~320 mil on the deadspace repper and another 200 for the deadspace enam you are still only looking at a ~1.6 bil setup. (ship is 837, and t2 rig is 26, magstabs are 115 each)

the actual performance is pretty good, i like it better then my vargur or my golem, though i havent flown them nearly as much as i have flown this fitting.

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.

Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-03-31 18:09:19 UTC
Kusum Fawn wrote:
two mag stabs is enough three is better, navythron doesn't compare.

cap boost only for rep and make the fit stable with the rep off any you are pretty much golden,

[Kronos, this]
Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Core A-Type Large Armor Repairer
Damage Control II
Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener
Shadow Serpentis Armor Thermic Hardener
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

Experimental 100MN Afterburner I
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800

425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Large Nanobot Accelerator I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Salvage Drone I x5
Hammerhead II x5

you can t2 everything on the fit if you like, and not lose very much in terms of damage or speed, but you loose like 400 dps of tank.
for ~320 mil on the deadspace repper and another 200 for the deadspace enam you are still only looking at a ~1.6 bil setup. (ship is 837, and t2 rig is 26, magstabs are 115 each)

the actual performance is pretty good, i like it better then my vargur or my golem, though i havent flown them nearly as much as i have flown this fitting.



Nice fit. And I agree on the repper. Seems silly to spend ~800mil on a hull and cheap out on the rep. Isk isn't really an issue for me anyhow. I already have 2 I plan to buy off the bat (one active tank for mission stuff and one for incursions).
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-03-31 19:03:17 UTC
BadAssMcKill wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
Replace sebo with TC, TE with magstab or enam.



4 Magstabs is dumb


4th dmg mod for faction dmg mods = +10.4% of base dmg.
Sure, on a 7 low boat like Kronos you may prefer 4 slot tank instead. But there are ppl doing just fine with 3 slot tank. Good for them.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-03-31 21:29:58 UTC
Kusum Fawn wrote:
Fits and stuff


Hey I forgot to ask, how does that work with salvage drones? I've never used them but i like the idea of 3 tractors and salvage drones.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#14 - 2013-03-31 22:13:50 UTC
I can (I won't because I'm way too lazy) gank your fit with 2 tornadoes.. just sayin. the 3 slot tank should work just fine for missions though. I have a t2 rate of fire rig and a tracking rig (really no idea what else to put there) . a sebo is nice, but I do agree with the tc instead.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-03-31 23:26:14 UTC
It really depends on the mission, salvage drones in general are slow. I tried the three tractors fit and was underwhelmed, but it works if you have balled up all the wrecks while fighting. But you have to wait for all the ships to be killed because even bs will aggro salvage drones.

Since salvage drones ill always autosalvage whatever is closest to you (not to their last position) you can dictate some kind of order to them by tractoring the largest wrecks and leaving the smaller stuff farther out. but because they have such a gap between their salvage retrieval chance and that of the t2 module, i find that its not worth waiting till the fighting has stopped to start salvaging. after a room is finished though they are nice for clearing the remaining wrecks as you tractor them in.

It doesnt matter how much the ship is tanked vs alpha if the ship cant complete a mission. I havent seen a truly effective kronos fit using buffer . though ive been told that a vindicator can pull this off. I have yet to see one match my mission completion times though. As long as you arent missioning in a market hub (or within two jumps of one) you almost never get scanned or see people prepping a gank. since most of the isk is tied up in the hull i never have worried that much about it, though you local conditions are always a factor.

Ive got a golem that's a magnet, a vargur that always gets watched, and ive never undocked my paladin.
the Kronos is pretty middle of the road, and not special enough for much scrutiny

On a noctis they are really good, and ive switched the layout to a 6/2 because its better to get all of the wrecks withing a km of the ship to loot and to reduce the drones travel times.

PS, the second rig should have been a CCC not a nano, the ccc makes it stable (with the rep and the ab off)
but you can fit whatever you want there.

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.

Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-03-31 23:34:01 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
I can (I won't because I'm way too lazy) gank your fit with 2 tornadoes.. just sayin. the 3 slot tank should work just fine for missions though. I have a t2 rate of fire rig and a tracking rig (really no idea what else to put there) . a sebo is nice, but I do agree with the tc instead.


Thanks,

It's ok though. I'm not some scrub PVE missioning carebear who doesn't understand High sec safety. I haven't missioned in forever, cause I spend most of my time in WH space.

There are plenty of easy ways around this problem. For one, missions are more of a WH vacation for me, and as such I don't worry about missioning in some super popular missioning area.


Nice to know on the salvaging drones. Never trained them (haven't had the need) but the concept is nice on paper.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-04-01 01:47:01 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
I can (I won't because I'm way too lazy) gank your fit with 2 tornadoes.. just sayin. the 3 slot tank should work just fine for missions though. I have a t2 rate of fire rig and a tracking rig (really no idea what else to put there) . a sebo is nice, but I do agree with the tc instead.


Thanks,

It's ok though. I'm not some scrub PVE missioning carebear who doesn't understand High sec safety. I haven't missioned in forever, cause I spend most of my time in WH space.

There are plenty of easy ways around this problem. For one, missions are more of a WH vacation for me, and as such I don't worry about missioning in some super popular missioning area.


Nice to know on the salvaging drones. Never trained them (haven't had the need) but the concept is nice on paper.


Not sure what that was about. 2 maxed out nados aren't even close to gank an unfitted Kronos at weakest resist. Marauders may have low buffer compared to other BS, but not that low. It takes 4 to gank an unfitted Kronos, assuming nados have max skills and all arty hit perfectly. 8-9 for a fitted one under realistic conditions.

Don't get me wrong, paranoia in this Eve is always a good thing, but 2 nados can gank maybe your drones...Roll
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-04-01 05:16:49 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
I can (I won't because I'm way too lazy) gank your fit with 2 tornadoes.. just sayin. the 3 slot tank should work just fine for missions though. I have a t2 rate of fire rig and a tracking rig (really no idea what else to put there) . a sebo is nice, but I do agree with the tc instead.


Thanks,

It's ok though. I'm not some scrub PVE missioning carebear who doesn't understand High sec safety. I haven't missioned in forever, cause I spend most of my time in WH space.

There are plenty of easy ways around this problem. For one, missions are more of a WH vacation for me, and as such I don't worry about missioning in some super popular missioning area.


Nice to know on the salvaging drones. Never trained them (haven't had the need) but the concept is nice on paper.


Not sure what that was about. 2 maxed out nados aren't even close to gank an unfitted Kronos at weakest resist. Marauders may have low buffer compared to other BS, but not that low. It takes 4 to gank an unfitted Kronos, assuming nados have max skills and all arty hit perfectly. 8-9 for a fitted one under realistic conditions.

Don't get me wrong, paranoia in this Eve is always a good thing, but 2 nados can gank maybe your drones...Roll



That's kinda what I thought looking in eft but figured maybe I was missing something
Bigg Gun
T.I.E. Inc.
#19 - 2013-04-01 07:12:19 UTC
Actually I've noticed that webs prevent the drones from hitting frigs. Frigs stop in 1 place, drones start orbiting frigs, drones guns don't track. If the frig moves the drones chase it in a straight line, guns don't need tracking.
Kodama Ikari
Thragon
#20 - 2013-04-01 13:07:14 UTC
Bigg Gun wrote:
Actually I've noticed that webs prevent the drones from hitting frigs. Frigs stop in 1 place, drones start orbiting frigs, drones guns don't track. If the frig moves the drones chase it in a straight line, guns don't need tracking.


stupid eve tracking model and its guns that don't rotate with the ship. Roll
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