Jita Park Speakers Corner

Hello and welcome to half way through the pre election, I did have a post listing all those who had made it through to qualify for the main election so far but the forums ate it after it appeared and generated a link

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2814076#post2814076

So just let me know if it turns up

Any way we are now half way through and 17 candidates have made it up to this point. In another post I joked that they would be lucky to make it to 23 represenatives out of the 28 we need, the truth seems to be worse, I looks like they will be lucky to make it to 20 before we go into those who have less than 200 votes.

So I think it is safe to call this pre election a fail.

Why did it fail, well so many people had no idea it existed in the first place and those that did have little reason to care, so many people still have no idea what the CSM actually is.

So on to the main event, a train wreck of epic proportions.

For these elections CCP has promised that "We will be ramping up the messages regarding the CSM - we have video materials for a video devblog about the CSM, the email newsletters, login screen ads, the whole of the CSM websection is to work in the Ingame Browser so linking people in chat is no effort and more."

But personally I feel that with the new STV voting system we will have a lower percentage of accounts voting this year than we had last year. It was hard enough to get people to want to vote when they had the ability to pick one person and then you knew where your vote actually went.

This year no one will actually know who their votes actually went on if they list more than 1 candidate.

To top this off you have he fact that our votes mean less than ever before with the introduction of the brown nose 5. So even if CCP actually try to educate the voters I don't feel it will be enough to counter those that we will have lost.

I just listened to Trebors Crossing Zebras interview and the fact he mentions multiple times what the CSM should be doing to aid CCP sickens me. The CSM is their to be the voice of the players not just another tool to aid in CCPs bottom line. So to put it bluntly CSM 7 sold out our Union to Management.

So thank you CSM 7 for destroying the voice of the players in favor of CCPs bottom line. I think we really do need Term limits and rules banning Ex-CCP employees, CSM 7 has proved that.

But on a serious note, with all CCP's talk about making EVE easier to understand, and when new players hear stories then join the game to participate in them, but get lost along the way. The election rules are pretty much 10 steps backwards in that goal.

Of course I don't care, its just funny to see really.

Eh, CCP is too strong really.

The null sec blocks and the mittani brag about having numbers or pilots or accounts to back up your ideas and what ya want. But those numbers will always be smaller then the amount of accounts CCP can bring in with changes to the game.

So it is too hard to change their mind, since they will always have the biggest constituency.

In my mind, the only positive aspect to the CSM is becoming more of a way to get video game experience or the popular of idea, of how some opportunities are cool , since they help move you closer to the gaming industry.

Any more then that, and you are almost being naive. ( They can help, but with how much work they do, with the results its probably not worth taking too seriously.)

Besides the mining barge revamp with help of Issler and the POS thread started by Two Step, I really am at a loss of what CSM 7 actually did besides give away what little power the CSM had.

They talk about odyssey but Trebor has said CCP ignored 50% of what the CSM wanted and given that the grab bag of ideas was decided by CCP to start with, I am really asking "did CSM 7, actually have a reason for its existence?"

Yeah the POS thread is nice, but a lot work all that is, and not too much to show in a way. Like I would feel bad about all the work then that is all.

Issler got lucky with that as well. I do like Issler so I feel bad for saying it.

They probably do have a reason, but with all the work they are doing it sounds like or the work they expect they seem to be blowing past it.

Like I said, the CSM do have constituents or accounts backing them up, so they could help out in minor ways. but with how much work they say you have to do, or your not allowed to troll. Seems kind of ridiculous to me.

I mean falling for a goon scam is one thing, but the CSM lasts all year long.

It could turn into that.

There use to be enough people involved in the CSM that CCP would worry about making mistakes and trying to fix them. But it seems CCP has found some new areas to tap for subscriptions. So they are able to over ride decisions and just rely on basic feedback threads, like most games do.

Almost all other games (I know of) just really on feedback threads, and the same stuff before they release features.

EVE just had enough people hang around, and they were the main group of subscriptions, CCP would lose a lot of customers for pissing them off.

But perhaps now, they are finding a new major group of subscriptions, so the CSM become more irrelevant as time passes.

Look at TOR, if enough people had stayed around instead of jumping ship, EA might have created a CSM to help fix the game and stuff. But not enough stayed, so they just went to free to play, since that would be the best for subscriptions.

Just look at microtransactions those were for a market bigger then the market the CSM had to offer, so CCP went over their heads.

Well, CCP does want subscriptions or players that are worth it, or worth investing in.

So they had to change the system to insure, nothing in a way would go to waste, or the company could get the most of of the election.

This new system if it works, would show the CSM was worth investing in, or was doing well in a way.

Like how you see educated players are worth investing in. CCP sees players making good choices with a lot of variables or handling a lot with nothing ignored or wasted, as worth investing in.

CCP wants more of a metal in a way or a decent metal, while you want know how and stuff.

Of course education is nice, but that is hard for people to really go for or a business to invest in, unless the company is wildly successful.

My guess is CCP would rather see the players as worth investing in, then they would invest in education afterwards.

Its kind of like college. You won't get accepted if you didn't do well in high school.

You want players to be at the college level, but CCP knows where we are at, and is trying to make it work I suppose. Besides for a pvp game, high schoolers is the best choice. College would tone it down, or ruin their fragile spirit.

I think CCP has managed to paint themselves into a corner.

Some 20 months ago we had the Summer of Rage, now one of the things that cooled the whole thing down and managed to only cost CCP millions rather than the whole company.

Now if this happens again, honestly who is going to listen to some CCP beta testers, the CSM is no longer our voice so we will frankly listen to them less as a conduit back from CCP.

The general populous cared little about the CSM before with only 1 in every 5 accounts voting. They will care even less after this years higher than average NoN-Hi-sec CSM.

I must admit this has to have been the most boring lead up to a CSM election I have ever seen.

Normally by now Jita park is ticking over like GD.

This year it is only slightly faster than normal.

Or we could discuss that things we say in other places are apparently against the forum rules here.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2814753#post2814753

Now that is a scary turn of events. As we can apparently be done for anything we say or do out side of Eve-O now.

They really need to add that one to the forum rules.