Jita Park Speakers Corner

Just been catching up on the politics, and wanted to ask this publicly.

Is it just me or does the current runners and "polls" risk giving us a huge group of null CSM members?

Sure this does not necessarily cause problems, but there is a risk that the meetings will get very focused on null, and overlook a lot of problems in other game areas.

In the case of blob like representation would it not be a good idea to maybe let CCP intervene and force a few positions for minority or more correctly silent majority representation?

A few of those candidates that risk not getting a lot of votes sounded really interesting. I would personally find it sad if the CSM ended up being pure null blob at the table.


Some things can be said to be good about the early proto-csm headhunting method, albeit not very transparent or democratic. Problem being that the more causal players risk becoming non players if the game gets endlessly tilted towards the very hard core crowds type of gameplay.

Just a thought.

Already the game is suffering a bit by too much ccp fog of war behaviour.

The quality of resources for good datamining is rather poor, and almost all player created.

This is ofc partly positve, since it means the players are engaged, but if ccp actually took some time to promote this type of content more we might get a better game.

Simple stats and data is vital in a situation like a CSM election. Without things like demographics and polling etc its impossible to know whats going on.

Not that I am saying EVE should be as complex as real life regarding these issues, it would just be nice if there was an over all ambition from ccp to give the illusion of it at least.

These elections have improved a lot since I was on the early trial version, but at a pace that is seriously left wanting. Its been 10 years and only now is it starting to be on a level that is working somewhat imho.

The only thing that makes the CSM work is that EVE players are generally pretty serious about their internet spaceships. Too get this into its next level I would like to see the null entities actually put some of the efforts and methods they use in tournaments into the politics, preferably even more so. Thus making it possible to follow politics not only when there is an election, and eventually getting campaigns to really be an engaging aspect of the game.

Smokes lots of weed

Well at least you've identified what the problem is.

Has it occurred to you that you could use all the energy you spend ranting and raving on the forums to try to effect some progress on those goals?

I used to be anti-null bear.

The truth is, null players have their fingers into everything:

- High sec ganking/war deccing
- High sec industry
- FW farming and FW alts
- Low sec piracy alts

In other words, players like to publicly label themselves as being affiliated with null sec, but spend the majority of their time in other areas of space. Why? Because they're bored. Their mains are doing little besides swelling their wallets, which they use to fund alt activities.

The CSM is skewed to null voting power blocks anyway. Let them have the CSM and all the changes they're asking for in null. Maybe that way they'll go back to playing their mains.

This is always going to be the case. The CSM is mostly fluff anyway, it's not a position of real power. The large power blocks will continue to have the biggest influence, and ultimately get more people placed on the actual CCP staff as they have in the past, furthering their agenda. The rich get richer and all that.

The players you're referring to, the ones who represent a different mindset, are not going to run for CSM. Ever. They're too busy playing and enjoying the game.

This is what happens in games, more so if the devs give players real estate to dictate over: they start messing with the economy and how the universe even works...for their gain.

If you played EQ/EQII there's a history lesson there of the outcome.

One hand devs want to reward vets for staying, but if they're not careful they'll upset this very vocal block (usually but 10% of the population who would sound like 99%). The result is a stagnant game of the status quo. Devs are happy with a steady membership, the vets are happy of getting/keeping turf, and the game becomes a boring game of the powerblocks wanting their "needs" met. Often at the cost of progress/innovation (dinosaurs don't like to change).

EvE unlike other games (barring what happened in EQII with Aeralik) has interceded on the gameplay and politics directly (the BoB fiasco and more). The whole CSM system didn't come out of the kindness of CCP's heart, it came to prevent the EQII style revolt and playerbase bleed (a bone thrown to keep the dogs gnawing at a sense of power and control...a sense, since CCP legally has the cards in their pocket [their property to do as they please]).

This is why the CSM system looks and appears the way it does, it's chaos of anarchy: controlled power, with misfits running the asylum. The issues folks like addressed sidestepped for the newest install of Jerry Springer drama, with addicts paying for more.

So if folks really think CSM input is going to change the game (not just keep the status quo going), there's a bridge in Brooklyn for sale...and some Jita "get rich quick" hawker will sure claim it's a bargin.

Design a game about scheming, trolling, griefing and backstabbing, do you believe any representation is believable or honest? Remember anything goes in EvE (that is until it affects the CCP money faucet).

Business as usual, and so easy to do, just offer semblance of power and watch the egos gobble it up. There's a reason why the game is the way it is...and need of Haldol at times.

That is, in essence, my platform

I think what is important is that we need a CSM that is strongly focused on lateral integration. A lot of the features and functionalities we are missing are relevant to null, WH and empire if they just focus on features and mechanics that are rellevant to all of EVE. I think Seagull and Unifex had some points in the EVE-UNI interview.. "Its the Stupid Economy"..

Also more focus on respecting player types that dont have huge organisations or 4+ hours playtime per day..
We need the more casuals integrated into the game, and that is done by removing the current CCP Leninist/communit manifesto code..

Makes no sense that you can not rent slots to public, or that you have more internal contract slots than external. Same with the limitations on skillbasis to slot use and market orders.. All these would be better balanced and limited by ECONOMY.

So what % of eve characters logged in at any time would you estimate are null dwellers?


EDIT: Thats not a facetious question, I genuinely have no idea how many people are living scattered throughout null...the pure idea of the sov grind is enough to keep me station spinning outside null