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P0RKSW0RD
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-04-01 16:17:40 UTC  |  Edited by: P0RKSW0RD
0racle wrote:
People would pay for 40m SP characters on the bazaar and then recycle them. Goodbye 3-4 years training time.


I would also be against this.

Same act only and only on the account that created the character.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#22 - 2013-04-01 18:36:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
P0RKSW0RD wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
P0RKSW0RD wrote:

Well I wasn't aware of the previous posts and conversations, which is why I asked people their opinions you muppet.


You fail to do even basic research on your idea, yet I'm the muppet.

Roll


Yep and sorry for not having forum lvl 5
CCP reduced the level of forum required to 1, with the inclusion of a search box. (Top right)

But that would require common sense level 1 and a modicum of intelligence at level 1 also. Blink

Oh yea, the OP. NO.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#23 - 2013-04-01 18:46:17 UTC
personally I dislike this thread - because I'm all in favour of planning in advance and being stuck with the consequences of your choices

HOWEVER

to try and make it work

the option opens up at 9 months, allowing you to move a set number of sp (for a starting figure, let's say 1 million sp), and once you've either moved than number of sp, or reached 12 months, the option closes, and you can't do it again
maybe send some sort of eve-mail so that it's obvious it's there....

For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.

Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-04-01 18:46:38 UTC
I like the entire untrain skill thing. If I could set my SP direction to negative and untrain skills at the normal rate I would. Being able to unlearn some of the skillbooks at the end to clean up my character would be a boon.

Restrictions of not being able to untrain skills that are requirements for other skills applies.
Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#25 - 2013-04-02 13:26:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Azrael Dinn
Slaveofjita wrote:
Has been suggested many times before, the majority of players seem to be against it. You would need to get huge player support for ccp to listen i think.

you are also running into the problem of being able to remap and buy implants for an optimal sp training plan and then just switching skills when you have enough sp, would need to only make 80%ish(or some other x number) of the sp "tradeable" for other skills.


Not sure it's the majority of players. It's more like the people making a living out from the character bazaar and they don't like the idea that they would need to sell a pool of SP instead a crappy named char called bigtardface1 who has carrier skills at lvl X.

But yeah I would love to have something like this in the game cause I have also skills that I have wasted and later deemed them unnessesary.

So +1 with some modifications to the idea. Like a cooldown timer of 1 year.

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm

P0RKSW0RD
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-04-02 17:44:13 UTC
Mag's wrote:
P0RKSW0RD wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
P0RKSW0RD wrote:

Well I wasn't aware of the previous posts and conversations, which is why I asked people their opinions you muppet.


You fail to do even basic research on your idea, yet I'm the muppet.

Roll


Yep and sorry for not having forum lvl 5
CCP reduced the level of forum required to 1, with the inclusion of a search box. (Top right)

But that would require common sense level 1 and a modicum of intelligence at level 1 also. Blink

Oh yea, the OP. NO.


Didn't get the memo, I shall petition CCP to find out why.

Seriously tho, this post not only lacks intelligence it is pointless.

Rather than just a straight NO would you like to add why it would be a bad idea?

Or is the point of this thread beyond you?
P0RKSW0RD
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-04-02 17:47:43 UTC
I'm not saying it should happen as I suggested, I'm trying to find out peoples opinions on the subject.

There is no wrong answer here what I would like to see is reasons why, suggestions, better ideas.

De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-04-02 18:27:02 UTC
P0RKSW0RD wrote:
Mag's wrote:
P0RKSW0RD wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
P0RKSW0RD wrote:

Well I wasn't aware of the previous posts and conversations, which is why I asked people their opinions you muppet.


You fail to do even basic research on your idea, yet I'm the muppet.

Roll


Yep and sorry for not having forum lvl 5
CCP reduced the level of forum required to 1, with the inclusion of a search box. (Top right)

But that would require common sense level 1 and a modicum of intelligence at level 1 also. Blink

Oh yea, the OP. NO.


Didn't get the memo, I shall petition CCP to find out why.

Seriously tho, this post not only lacks intelligence it is pointless.

Rather than just a straight NO would you like to add why it would be a bad idea?

Or is the point of this thread beyond you?


The reasons why it's a bad idea have been pointed out to you in this very thread - they're also available to any monkey able to click a search button in the other hundreds of threads on the same damn topic. Do your own research for a change.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-04-02 18:29:23 UTC
P0RKSW0RD wrote:
I'm not saying it should happen as I suggested, I'm trying to find out peoples opinions on the subject.

There is no wrong answer here what I would like to see is reasons why, suggestions, better ideas.


People's opinions are NO, which in your eyes is apparently the wrong answer.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

P0RKSW0RD
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-04-02 18:38:05 UTC
None of you speak for the community if you don't like it or cannot contribute to the post then save yourself the stress and talk crap on other peoples posts.

Mag's
Azn Empire
#31 - 2013-04-02 18:39:54 UTC
P0RKSW0RD wrote:
Mag's wrote:
P0RKSW0RD wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
P0RKSW0RD wrote:

Well I wasn't aware of the previous posts and conversations, which is why I asked people their opinions you muppet.


You fail to do even basic research on your idea, yet I'm the muppet.

Roll


Yep and sorry for not having forum lvl 5
CCP reduced the level of forum required to 1, with the inclusion of a search box. (Top right)

But that would require common sense level 1 and a modicum of intelligence at level 1 also. Blink

Oh yea, the OP. NO.


Didn't get the memo, I shall petition CCP to find out why.

Seriously tho, this post not only lacks intelligence it is pointless.

Rather than just a straight NO would you like to add why it would be a bad idea?

Or is the point of this thread beyond you?
But your lack of searching and seeing that your post is pointless, isn't a lack of intelligence?

Seriously though, I've said multiple times in multiple threads why this is a bad idea. Do some research.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Mag's
Azn Empire
#32 - 2013-04-02 18:40:49 UTC
P0RKSW0RD wrote:
None of you speak for the community if you don't like it or cannot contribute to the post then save yourself the stress and talk crap on other peoples posts.

We are the community and as such, we can speak for ourselves. Don't like what you read, tough.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-04-02 18:46:19 UTC
To properly answer this question.

Take a look how training sskills actualy works. A skill requires two attributes, a primary and a secondary. this affects the number sp that are gained each hour while training a specific skill.

Now, In your training plan you have lots of gunnery and ship skills, you are currently training something like say Battlecruiser 5 (6x perception and Willpower)
and then all of a sudden you realize you need to train Wing command 4 (8x Charisma and Willpower)

You have already put in two of those nice +4's for Perception and Willpower but you, like everyone else has dropped the charisma attribute to teh lowest it can go. and of course you have never bought a charisma implant because its nominally useless.

Instead of having to make a choice of spending some isk, remapping or training at a suboptimal speed, you simply put medium autocannon specialization 5 on that queue and transfer over sp that you are training at optimal speeds. THis reduces market interactions, reduces the difficulty of making good choices (as it no longer matters what you train as long as you remember to move sp over once in a while.

While this is attractive. it makes every training choice moot as you will only ever need two implants and two attributes maxed.
to add to this, when ever ccp decides to nerf something or buff something every 30 mil sp character will immediately be able to fly it as they move all their sp over to the current FOTM ship.
It makes it so there is little to no incentive to invent new fits.

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.

Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-04-02 18:49:57 UTC
So now that the majority of people agree that SP swapping is bad, can we discuss the ability to negatively train your skills to clean up unwanted skills? I know this doesn't create the same amount of outrage.

/and unlearning level 0 skills would be pro too
Mag's
Azn Empire
#35 - 2013-04-02 18:58:34 UTC
Ersahi Kir wrote:
So now that the majority of people agree that SP swapping is bad, can we discuss the ability to negatively train your skills to clean up unwanted skills? I know this doesn't create the same amount of outrage.

/and unlearning level 0 skills would be pro too
I'm actually OK with this, as long as there are plenty of safe guards in place. Some simply need plenty of safe guards.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#36 - 2013-04-02 18:58:58 UTC
Ersahi Kir wrote:
So now that the majority of people agree that SP swapping is bad, can we discuss the ability to negatively train your skills to clean up unwanted skills? I know this doesn't create the same amount of outrage.

/and unlearning level 0 skills would be pro too

I'm all for helping out the special needs players, but I think that a lot of headaches would be created and coding required just to help our OCD players lose that pesky eye twitch... and frankly there are a lot of other "untidy" things in EvE that will set them off just a much. Smile

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Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-04-02 19:12:43 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Ersahi Kir wrote:
So now that the majority of people agree that SP swapping is bad, can we discuss the ability to negatively train your skills to clean up unwanted skills? I know this doesn't create the same amount of outrage.

/and unlearning level 0 skills would be pro too

I'm all for helping out the special needs players, but I think that a lot of headaches would be created and coding required just to help our OCD players lose that pesky eye twitch... and frankly there are a lot of other "untidy" things in EvE that will set them off just a much. Smile


YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH I SUFFER FROM THIS!!!

/eyetwitch
//goes to straighten out the fringe on the rug so it's all evenly spaced and tidy....for the third time today
P0RKSW0RD
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-04-02 19:55:10 UTC
I think alot of you are missing the point of this thread so i may start posting this as a new idea every week just to wind up those who see it and make the assumption that i'm asking the exact same that some other random person might have touched on at some point in the past.
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
#39 - 2013-04-02 20:05:09 UTC
I think, you just asking for a permaban for spamming.

Two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison

P0RKSW0RD
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-04-02 21:20:49 UTC
Tonto Auri wrote:
I think, you just asking for a permaban for spamming.


lol