Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Pretty much.

Now some place like Venal, which is NPC null and the home of various alliances creating a headache for northern sov holding alliances will likely become a de facto space of the sov holders in the region. No outside alliance could hope to live there with no reasonable logistics. Right now you can barely reach Venal from Lonetrek....low sec. After this change, that would no longer be possible. So Goons/CFC would own that space too for all intents and purposes.

Hint: Precisely what's wanted, no jumping out, everything needing to be freighted to nul/one-jump out. Increased opportunities for PvP (remember the title of this topic?).

Please, tell us .... FAIL. FW uses mostly frigs and cruisers, so this affects them not at all. I know, I have an alt in FW.

Also, tell us why the FAIL. I didn't even hint at that. YOU introduced that, pretending it's what I'm saying.

ALSO, tell us how nullsec FAIL. It's not for everyone else to support sov alliances' stranglehold on sov space. You need more slots, build them yourselves.

ALSO ALSO, tell us where FAIL. You want everyone else to play the game for you? Work it out yourself!

That other poster has a point. All these recent gimicks have turned sov alliances into gangs of whiney brats. If you can't hold onto your space without leeching off those you shut out of it, then expect to fail.

If you aren't stupid while packing your freighter, no there wont be. Jita - Torrinos is a completely 100% high sec route. Aside from freighter ganking, there will be zero PVP. Just like there is not PVP now when going from Jita to Torrinos.



Do you even play this game? No really, do you actually play? The poster is correct, there wont be any extra PvP in this specific case. Here is the route to Torrinos:

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/route/2:Jita:Torrinos

13 jumps...all High sec.

The next stop is EC-P8R:

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/EC-P8R

Goon sov, and a station system.

No extra PvP. At all. JF, picks up the load(s) in Torrinos, jumps into EC- (which Goons will almost surely have perma camped if this change were for some mind boggling reason implemented) and then when cap recharges, jump to the next beacon system many light years (and several constellations) away.

And in case it escapes you there is absolutely nothing in your proposal that would keep any alliance from using NPC hauling alts in high security space. So no war decs either.

The same thing holds for HED-GP down in Catch. It connects directly to high sec. For Delve/Querious they have 1 low sec system, Efa. So again very likely little extra PvP there. And since the same alliance/coalition holds Delve, Querious, Fountain Period Basis and Catch, it would be a huge gift to that coalition.

Now the residents of Stain....****ed in the a$$.

Oh and guess what the residents of Stain are currently doing? Fighting the HBC. And if anyone in the future wants to fight the HBC they might opt for basing out of NPC Delve or Kahnid or possibly even Stain...but with your changes that will become very problematic.

No he didn't. When pressed for further information he failed to respond.

And nice dodge by the way. I guess we can conclude the Danika Princip and I are correct, that in those cases where there is a high sec/null sec gate very little extra PvP will be had.

There are no gankers in Jita, at least for freighters. Too high a sec status.

As for ganking in Torrinos, it could be done, it is 0.5 after all. But gankers are not typically going to be doing it unless it is profitable.

And lastly, you didn't think about how the game worked back then. Titans existed. Getting into low sec, warping to a titan and bridging out was one option. There other jump capable ships at the time too such as carriers and rorquals that worked in low sec. Granted you'd need lots of carriers to carrier the same amount of stuff as a freighter, but it could be done. When we lived in Stain, making JF trips down there were problematic. You had to already be in low sec to do it. As such we developed a carrier system for jumping stuff down. So it was not like what you are proposing.

Going into 1 low sec system is one thing, going through several till you reach null is another thing entirely.

Now maybe you have a point if you were to focus on the ubiquity of JFs. I don't think CCP foresaw how many would be privately owned by players...much like Titans and Super Carriers. I think, going by memory, that the in game "lore" had the 4 empires having something like titans in the single digits...definitely no more than double digits. Now some null sec alliances sport dozens if not more. Looks like the list of known titans in game is not being kept up anymore, but the last update had IT alliance have 68 back in 2011 and 164 titans total...I'm sure the number is much higher now.

You think it would work now? The game has changed considerably. Things like fleet vs. gang, new ships, the ubiquity of T2 components and ships. And forget null, just think about taking those freighters nowadays through low sec.

Going into 1 low sec system is one thing, going through several till you reach null is another thing entirely.

Hence increased opportunities for PvP; no JF or bridges in empire space.

You're missing the point that without jump tech, scouting becomes much more viable/reliable and you'd never 'stumble' into a massive alpha fleet as you describe. You had far forward scouts, a lead fleet to clear the way or draw away opponents, and you had a rear guard fleet running delaying actions.

There as endless pvp for the combat fleets and those chasing the convoy. It was a 'do or die' situation once committed.

And yet, you're commenting authoratively on something you weren't party to. Fact is we've got a game populated by players who know nothing of the 'before times' when titans and bridges didn't exist.

Believe me, it was ALL more fun than it is now.