Out of Pod Experience

I would agree with you half way and say that perhaps their should be some notification upon undocking telling you to update your clone for newbs, although I don't agree as I actually think the penalties for losing your pod should always be some kind of SP loss.

I think it would be better if there was some mechanism to warn the person that their clone needed upgrading as:

1. This is more likely to affect newer players

2. If you accept a level 1 distribution mission and try to undock without the cargo you get a warning but not for something much more important like skillpoint loss, seems a bit arse about face to me

I have nothing against harsher penalties for death.
But I am against harsh penalties for forgetting to click a single friggin' button once in a while.
It's just unnecessary hassle for newer and inexperienced players who still struggle with the complexity of this game.

Well, given the CCPs previous logic on giving warnings for just about everything it seems reasonable to give a warning about undocking without an up to date medical clone. One benefit would be that we could laugh even harder at people who come on the forums with a story similar to the OP. :)

But if you truly agree that pod deaths should have consequences then surely you should agree with me then that losing a pod should always result in SP loss.

It's not really apples and oranges, when you get warnings about insignificant oversights, but not about drastically consequential ones. It is a relevant point, that there should be a warning (that can be toggled off) if there is going to be one for other things.

I wasn't a fan of that warning message, tbh. It's bullshit. Everybody at least once had to go through this
and it was part of EvE, but CCP ruined it for all the upcoming generations,
as if there was a necessity to have this.

It was a "feature" begged for by the idiots who can't concentrate on one thing longer than a few seconds.

I know that loss must suck OP but I hope you come around to continuing EVE.

I agree with you on the Clone costs but for different reasons. I don't like the static death cost. I would prefer it if EVE worked solely on being able to risk exactly as much as you decide to put into your craft. If you fly a 750k Frigate with 200k in fittings then that is what you get and risk and if you fly a 90mil Battleship with 60mil in fittings that is what you get and lose if you die. Only what you put out there, not a static baseline cost. This includes insurance as well, I would like to see that gone, it paying for the lost income in clone costs is just icing.

For that reason I also think you should be able to switch out pods in stations so a timer doesn't influence your decision to switch from a training, mission or high end PvP ship to a cheap Frigate to roam. No one is not going to update their clone, these costs, timers and learning implants have a detrimental effect of hanging a sword above peoples decision to go fight and adds to the risk aversion. Simply put costs should only be applied to your craft, its fittings, cargo and implants in your head all chooseable before you undock so you can always risk exactly what you want to put out there, the more valuable the ship the better equipped you are for success but the higher the cost if you lose.

Scotty the docking manager can scan your cargo and give you friendly information like #2. He doesn't have access to your clone update log.

Also, the tutorials explain about updating your clone when you lose your pod. Pay attention to them maybe?

OP: Giving up because you made a mistake (repeatedly?) is silly. You may have lost 20 days training, but if you quit you've lost all of them!

Welcome to Eve, etc.

Losing a pod should be worse than losing a ship. At the moment people fear the SP loss from losing their T3 ship, but getting you actual clone blown up doesn't really matter at all.

Also avoiding a pod death would be easy even in null sec if pods were able to warp out of a bubble. Obviously this would have to be implemented as it would be far too easy to kill pods and cause devestating losses otherwise. I mentioned that also in the previous posts above although you clearly didn't read it.

Which would make pods much harder to kill. The outrage that would come from such a change
would be more severe than from losing SkillPoints. It would also remove the ability to pod express,
which would create even more anger from the community.
... and a warp core stab doesn't help against a bubble anyway.


This whole (perceived as) issue comes from automatic behavior.

The people running distribution missions ...
... (i did this too, btw ... and i also forgot my cargo, more than once) ...
... suffer from the clickfest of closing, accepting and undocking.

For some reason, moving stuff into the cargohold is a step that requires actual thought,
which leads to people forgetting it. The same can be said about updating the pod.

People undock more often than they have to update their clone. Every time my pod died,
i had to actively remind myself to update my clone NOW before i undock, because undocking
turned into pure automatism. If i wouldn't do it NOW, i would simply forget doing it.

Removing the need to do something removes the need to pay attention at what they are doing
and that's why it's a bad thing to have these reminders.



Caution !
HOT COFFEE IS HOT !

See ?

That's a stupid reminder too. People once in their life learned that hot stuff hurts !
Why do they need a reminder for it ? Because they turned dumb enough to just drink from
the hot coffee, instead of paying attention to the very simple fact that HOT COFFEE IS HOT.

Reminders don't help people, they make them pay less attention. The same counts for anything
that can be turned into automatism. If we had a checkbox that enabled the client to automatically
update the clone when necessary, people would completely forget about the fact that losing a
pod leads to possible removal of SkillPoints at the next time the pod is lost, thus making
the whole consequence of losing them obsolete in the first place.