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On Dust514 and why it will save Eve (and therefore CCP)

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Oberine Noriepa
#81 - 2011-10-17 23:33:32 UTC
When is the beta supposed to hit? We're getting pretty close to the end of the year.

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Barbelo Valentinian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2011-10-18 00:50:38 UTC
I'm sure if it's technically competent and looks great and has great gameplay, there's no reason why it shouldn't be a smash hit. A sense of depth and consequences might indeed set it apart from the run-of-the-mill shooter, and also cross-fertilize interest in both games.

Those are pretty big "ifs", but I'm on balance positive that it will be successful.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2011-10-18 02:09:53 UTC
Joseph Dreadloch wrote:
DUST 514 is going to sink CCP, it will not compete in the world of console shooters. It will have a population of a couple thousand players who happen to be EVE players who own a PS3.

What happens to DUST 514 and EVE a year after its launch, when BF5 and CoD13 launch?


i actually think dust 514 might actually do well to be honest............ but as for World Of Darkness... no i can't seeing that doing so good

there is already 2 free to play vampire mmorpg games out there that use the micro transaction model ccp hopes to use for WoD.

Reign of Blood

&

Immortal night

tbh neither game seems to be doing well which pretty much says vampire games are tired n old

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ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#84 - 2011-10-18 04:02:08 UTC
Reign of Blood is a text based game with a Web based interface to show some static artwork. Immortal Night doesnt even give you a preview of what the game looks like. Neither can be seriously compared to what is planned for WoD.

WoD's target market is not you or me - it's the existing playerbase of the WoD books.
Darth Skorpius
352 Industries
#85 - 2011-10-18 04:33:28 UTC
Garbad theWeak wrote:
CCP Shadow wrote:
Also, DUST 514 is a different type of game from Battlefield: Something and Call of Duty: Another Something ... They're all great games in their own way, all fantastic shooters, but they don't have some of the hooks that DUST 514 will, particularly in terms of world impact and depth.
You don't have to be nostradamus to predict some fails -- warhammer, age of conan, etc all failed because they tried to remake wow. They got a few sales, then people realized they would rather just play the established franchise. Every developer believes their game is unique and special. From a gamer's perspective, most aren't -- especially yet another FPS space marine game. The "hook" of linking the games together may win a few sales...but why will they stick around once BF5 and CoD13 launch?


if ccp can make a high quality game with compelling gameplay then people will want to play it. why bother shelling out another 50 bucks each year for the new cod when if just a slight improvement over the last one? why not spend that money on some extra food or even on a game thats not a clone of the game the same studio put out last year? just because ea and activision expect people to keep paying for a slight update to their games doesnt mean players are going to put up with that **** when there are other options, especially with the economy in the state its in, where people have less cash to spend on games. shooters like cod and bf may be the top dogs now, but in 12 months they are gogi nto get a big wake up call

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Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#86 - 2011-10-18 04:54:52 UTC
David Grogan wrote:
Joseph Dreadloch wrote:
DUST 514 is going to sink CCP, it will not compete in the world of console shooters. It will have a population of a couple thousand players who happen to be EVE players who own a PS3.

What happens to DUST 514 and EVE a year after its launch, when BF5 and CoD13 launch?


i actually think dust 514 might actually do well to be honest............ but as for World Of Darkness... no i can't seeing that doing so good

there is already 2 free to play vampire mmorpg games out there that use the micro transaction model ccp hopes to use for WoD.

Reign of Blood

&

Immortal night

tbh neither game seems to be doing well which pretty much says vampire games are tired n old

Also Moonlight Online (site down at the moment) is supposed to be released before the end of the year. Vampires, Werewolves and Blessed Humans are playable, which is nice to see more companies getting away from the 2-faction gameplay and being more like DAOC with 3-factions.

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Flamespar
WarRavens
#87 - 2011-10-18 05:13:32 UTC
Oberine Noriepa wrote:
When is the beta supposed to hit? We're getting pretty close to the end of the year.


Yessss, CCP feedz us your betas.

We wants it.
Aloron
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2011-10-18 05:19:23 UTC
I just wish they also make Dust514 for the computer , because there is a market right now for FPS on the computer .. right now there is nothing worth wild to play other than BF3 and after beta testing BF3 I will not be playing , to many hacks in the game all ready and what not.

Plus I dont own a PS3 , so if I wanted to play a furture FPS I would have to go out and buy one which stinks. I have never liked consoles to many limitations on things.

anyways just my thoughts .. they need to make a computer verison .. give us middle age and old people who only use the computer to play games a way to play and defend our land ..
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#89 - 2011-10-18 06:14:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
Personally I think Dust514 has am absolute stunning potential and its entirerly possible the whole genre could be redefined if it is successful. However, my main concern is actually the business model. Sure, a FTP model probably works great on casual games, FOTM games etc, but for the type of player that EVE and DUST wants - i.e. the commited player in it for the long haul, I see FTP as disasterous. The only way DUST is gonna be able to keep its playerbase is through subscriptions. No way people are still gonna use real money to buy gear 2 years into the game.
Zey Nadar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2011-10-18 07:36:36 UTC
BLACK-STAR wrote:


CCP Shadow wrote:
One thing I think a lot of people are overlooking is that the DUST 514 player base isn't going to be entirely comprised of people who are playing EVE already. There is a great deal of interest in DUST 514 among PlayStation gamers and the future is not as gloomy as how you're picturing it.

CCP Shadow, or any dev I welcome:


? who are these guys, I haven't personally noticed a mass of DUST communities anywhere and there isn't an official community site -- could you guys put up a board soon?



I would love to have a new forum on these boards for discussion about the upcoming new CCP games.
Via Shivon
#91 - 2011-10-18 09:29:56 UTC
hybrid weapon balance took ccp what 6 years now?
yeah ccp will fail if they need 6 years to balance a weapon in dust - just a exaple
they have to get much much faster than in eve because the shooter com isnt that stupid than we eve players are...
well lets not say stupid - they have allot diffrent choices, eve players dont...
Aase Nord
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2011-10-18 10:19:52 UTC
I want to see what happens to this game before i take a look at dust
Apollo-Moor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2011-10-18 13:54:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Apollo-Moor
CCP Shadow wrote:
Joseph Dreadloch wrote:
DUST 514 is going to sink CCP, it will not compete in the world of console shooters. It will have a population of a couple thousand players who happen to be EVE players who own a PS3.

What happens to DUST 514 and EVE a year after its launch, when BF5 and CoD13 launch?


Hey Nostradamus! As long as you're predicting the future, do you also have any winning lottery numbers for next summer? Blink I'm kidding, but you do raise a point that I see quite a bit. One thing I think a lot of people are overlooking is that the DUST 514 player base isn't going to be entirely comprised of people who are playing EVE already. There is a great deal of interest in DUST 514 among PlayStation gamers and the future is not as gloomy as how you're picturing it.

Also, DUST 514 is a different type of game from Battlefield: Something and Call of Duty: Another Something, just as EVE Online is a different game from World of Warcraft. EVE and WoW may both be MMOs but EVE appeals to a different type of player. I do love the Battlefield titles, I play a fair amount of Black Ops, and Halo Reach has consumed a great deal of my free time. Actually I'm still playing Reach... must... have... 100% armory completion.... They're all great games in their own way, all fantastic shooters, but they don't have some of the hooks that DUST 514 will, particularly in terms of world impact and depth.

Edit: Even with the morning coffee I still spelled Nostradamus wrong. But I did want to add that we do understand your viewpoint on CCP entering a very competitive market and we fully understand that there are a number of challenges ahead for us. I do appreciate your candor. I read everything people are saying about DUST 514, the good and the bad. Just keep it coming, it is helpful. Thanks.

-- Shadow


You're gonna have to do better than this to convince us PS3 players of DUST514's worth on playability. The game being dependent on EVE as it is will be a challenge to maintain an interested playerbase that is not in EVE. With so many EXCELLENT shooters in the PS3 market it's going to take more than ANY prediction.

It'll take some real dedication from you CCP and actually doing what you guys say an in a timely manner. No one and I repeat NO ONE is going to wait more than a few months for any serious update to the shooters on consoles. Talk about what your game will be doing in a year and you'll be laughed at. Console games don't have the advantage of getting better over time. They need to be good when they are released or they will fail..

Have ya'll heads on straight and don't tihnk of trying to decieve the console market with empty promises and dev scheduals that take more than months to implement. Your game will be left in the wake of its own name. With Battlefields: Again and Modern Warfare: Infinities, you're gonna have some serious competition. I'd almost say they are more of a threat to DUST than DUST is actually to them.

Yes I know it's supposed to be niche much like EVE but that's where you gotta realize niche is cool and consoles could use something really fresh like DUST, but it does not have the patinece of time for wait and see's that take years. It just moves too fast...
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#94 - 2011-10-19 11:20:23 UTC
Oberine Noriepa wrote:
When is the beta supposed to hit? We're getting pretty close to the end of the year.


Do you think it's meant to be released this year?

Last I heard it was holidays 2012 - just before the world ends.

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Anashka caldari
Perkone
Caldari State
#95 - 2011-10-19 19:22:56 UTC
Games i NEED to play over the next year

Guild Wars 2
Battlefield 3
DUST 514

In that order

I hope for January/February beta at the latest, pretty plz CCPP
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2011-10-19 19:25:44 UTC
It needed to be on PC as well as PS3.

Having it on a console saturated with FPS titles that dont have Micros built in hurts big time.

Next is the FREE game is planned to COST MONEY to get started. The idea that you get in game money = to the money spent is baloney of the highest order CCP.

But then the company is in epic implosion mode of bad decision after bad decision right now.

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Boseo
Azure Horizon
#97 - 2011-10-19 19:59:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Boseo
Oberine Noriepa wrote:
When is the beta supposed to hit? We're getting pretty close to the end of the year.


by the looks of things winter time (2011 or 2012) will be 'Private trials' and releasing some time summer 2012


Edit: winter 2011 or 2012 as in some time before or after new year (just clearing that up)

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Kelsi Darr
Orbital Express LTD
Trystero GmbH
#98 - 2011-10-19 20:09:37 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:

I think it is safe to assume that outside the large alliances/gaming communities the relation between EVE and DUST players will not be characterized by mutual respect.


Wait.
Was that the case with EVE players?
Sounds like they'll be treated just like everyone else. ;)
Gilentajsa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
#99 - 2011-10-19 21:18:53 UTC
Wow, the butthurt is strong in all of the failbox360 fanbois

Hilarity, absolute hilarity

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FadeIN Fr0St
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2011-10-19 21:32:06 UTC  |  Edited by: FadeIN Fr0St
I will buy a ps3 just for Dust, with work and everything else these days my Eve time is limited compared to before, and hard to do anything in a hour or so in Eve. So a drop in drop out game like dust that can change my gaming world in Eve and others that play the game sounds fun and far less time consuming.

Though I have never played a consule game, controlers dont look like much funX

And not to mention I have two family members that cant wait to play the game, but have never even been in the Eve world.

Wish there would be a way to take our Eve characters and bring them into the Dust game. Would be epic!!!!

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