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I'd agree with Poetic if CCP was a country. It's not. CCP has no responsability to promote free speech. Hence they can ban whoever they want for whatever views they express.

Another important thing to take notice since this derailed into an argument over nationalism and cultural protectionism, is that "free speech" doesn't mean the same in Europe, and namely in Iceland, as it does in the US. A very simple example of that is that the US have their own nazi party. Not a single European country does. And the reason why not is simply because such extreme views are banned under their respective constitutions.

Having said all this tho, even if one were to share Fon's views that some cultures are superior to others, let's face it, Russians are not culturaly superior to any other nationality represented by any of the other CSM candidates. Just sayin.... General alcohol content in their blood, life expectancy, humanitarian values, respect for human life and the rule of law, infant mortality rate, migratory flux ratio of Russians into foreign countries against foreigners into Russia, just to name a few. If these are values one wants to preserve... Well you lost the cold war for a reason, right?

Finally, I really hope CCP is in no rush to unlock this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2807903#post2807903

Final edit: Apparently CCP will even sensor the word n-a-z-i on their forums. So I am indeed hopeful this candidate will be removed and his garbage spewing silenced.

This is a valid point to a degree. If there is something good that can come from people like Fon, is that they can force us to look in the mirror and see if there is anything there that reminds us what we have just condemned in others.

Is Fon our Archie Bunker?

Yes, there is such a thing as being a wee-bit racist. That is something that perhaps the community could improve.

I do make that point.

But I would still prefer if they left the power with us.

Don't kid yourself. They may not use the [1936 German political party name], but there are parties that express very strong national-socialist views.

It would be hilarious if it was discovered that he was trans-gendered.

I actually hope he gets elected. The gaming press will go hog wild.

Just been redirected here by ISD Cura Ursus from his candidacy thread so I'll post my thoughts here instead:

In the event of a CSM candidate such as Fon Revedhort being elected... a candidate with such strong, controversial and hateful views, would CCP step in to veto candidates?

I mean, capsuleers elect the CSM representatives, but CCP has a company to run, and the potential PR disaster resulting from Fon Revedhort's (possible) election to the CSM would expose CCP to too much commercial risk. At the end of the day, CCP should have the final say in whether they allow people to be stakeholders in THEIR business.

In the other thread, Sarmatiko suggested that: "They may as well abolish CSM completely, because there is no point in election, if you can remove unpopular winners at your pleasure. With 2 removed members in a row CSM will lose all remaining credibility. Personally I'd rather have more confident developers like Fozzie, than circus called "CSM" with drama on every election."

But I think that Abolishing the CSM would be unfortunate, and in my opinion, a bad move.

The CSM is a very unique and commendable thing to have in place, other game developers would kill to have such a close relationship with their playerbase, and up till now it's a very positive thing for EVE and CCP to have. After 10 years of existence, with EVE being how it is, with such a huge emphasis on community and working together for "emergent content"... it would be naive not to have some sort of community representation.

But with the employ of such community facing developers such as Fozzie, Falcon, Dolan, and Rise, the community interaction from developers is as high as it's ever been. This almost serves to trivialise the role of the CSM (not intentionally of course), but I think CCP really needs to take a hard look at what they want the CSM to be... lest we have more D3's who serve just to prove a point and cause a headache for genuine progress.

So I guess we can add Frying Doom AND Poetic to the "Trebor is literally evil but let me take a moment to defend this actual neo-nazi" list.



That one might even go beyond the gaming media.

first they came for the neonazis

and i did not speak out because they are neonazis and they were getting their just comeuppance

then they did not come for anyone else because it turns out neonazis are in a class of their own and i continued on my merry way

when will i learn

Perhaps. But I'm not putting Fon anywhere near our ballot.

I believe the term you are looking for is "Neo N azi". That is the correct term.



I'd argue since CCP has a responsibility to the safety of players its not just a "right" to, but a moral responsibility to. If you've never been targetted by a neo-nazi group (I have), you have no damn idea how vicious these people are. Remember boys and girls, the number one motor of terrorism in the western world in the last 20 years has not been religion, but racism.



Why should we, when CCP can just remove him from the game?



Do you actually think Asian, black , jewish, Q ueer (yes, that word is censored on this forum for some blatantly offensive reason), and other minorities will feel safe going to the CSM knowing that some creep will be there spouting an ideology that would see them and their families slaughtered IRL? Do you think players will be happy knowing that CCP will be spending our subscription money flying about a known neo-naz i , who might not even be allowed to enter the country on account of his public pronouncements (He would be arrested at the airport where I live). is this the message we want to send?




Do you even realize how disgusting it is quoting this poem in defense of a neo n azi?