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Range of CSM candidates disappointing.

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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#1 - 2013-03-28 15:46:28 UTC
Is anyone else disappointed with the range and/or bias of the CSM candidates available to be voted for. And before anyone says it I daresay I could make a very good job of being on the CSM but my work commitments prevent me from putting myself forward.

There seems to be even more of a bias towards the nul-sec community than last years candidates and a larger proportion either openly or having 'behind the scenes' support for the main nul-sec monopoly. Does anyone else think it would be a good idea to have two sets of six positions available with two seats in each set working to get a fair outcome for the high, low, & nul-sec communities rather than the current situation where one agenda may get pushed in our faces?

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .
Frying Doom
#2 - 2013-03-28 20:26:06 UTC
I think that this year will be the least representative of the EvE community so far.

The new voting system rewards the block voters even more, so subsequently they have put in more people.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2013-03-28 21:14:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
There seems to be even more of a bias towards the nul-sec community than last years candidates and a larger proportion either openly or having 'behind the scenes' support for the main nul-sec monopoly.

0.0 is the new communism.

Need less space McCarthyism and more voter participation from other areas of the game (the populations of which is at least on paper considerably larger than nullsec combined let alone a nullsec dividing their votes to blocs).

The new voting system doesn't favor 0.0 or not 0.0 it just maximizes the voting power of each individual vote. How representative CSM8 will be of the server population remains to be seen, but it will near-perfectly reflect the will of the voters.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#4 - 2013-03-29 01:22:45 UTC
I can hardly be called a nullsec candidate Big smile

I do think there needs to be a bunch of balancing across the sectors, but not at the expense of any of them.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Frying Doom
#5 - 2013-03-29 07:03:17 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
I can hardly be called a nullsec candidate Big smile

I do think there needs to be a bunch of balancing across the sectors, but not at the expense of any of them.

ah ha didn't say buff high sec and nerf Null

Obviously a Null candidate trying to hide.

Whats your real name comrade? Leon Goonswarm Troksy Maybe?

Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-03-29 09:35:48 UTC
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
Is anyone else disappointed with the range and/or bias of the CSM candidates available to be voted for.


Anyone who wouldn't be disappointed is someone trying to avoid the followup question of "why?".

It really should dissapoint. 35 candidates total, less than half not in a voting bloc, and among that VERY little new blood. To say that reflects poorly on CCP's apparent desire to get more people involved in the CSM process is a massive understatement.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#7 - 2013-03-29 09:53:56 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
Is anyone else disappointed with the range and/or bias of the CSM candidates available to be voted for.


Anyone who wouldn't be disappointed is someone trying to avoid the followup question of "why?".

It really should dissapoint. 35 candidates total, less than half not in a voting bloc, and among that VERY little new blood. To say that reflects poorly on CCP's apparent desire to get more people involved in the CSM process is a massive understatement.


Now how can you say that with CCPs voter education program in full swing? haven't you seen all the splash ads and signs in-game?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#8 - 2013-03-29 10:21:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
Frying Doom wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
I can hardly be called a nullsec candidate Big smile

I do think there needs to be a bunch of balancing across the sectors, but not at the expense of any of them.

ah ha didn't say buff high sec and nerf Null

Obviously a Null candidate trying to hide.

Whats your real name comrade? Leon Goonswarm Troksy Maybe?

Lol



You got me, it's actually me, Mittens, your glorious leader (as everyone in Null is a Goon. Obviously.). Just don't ask me, as I'll deny it. Blink

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Frying Doom
#9 - 2013-03-29 10:27:33 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
I can hardly be called a nullsec candidate Big smile

I do think there needs to be a bunch of balancing across the sectors, but not at the expense of any of them.

ah ha didn't say buff high sec and nerf Null

Obviously a Null candidate trying to hide.

Whats your real name comrade? Leon Goonswarm Troksy Maybe?

Lol



You got me, it's actually me, Mittens, your glorious leader (as everyone in Null is a Goon. Obviously.). Just don't ask me, as I'll deny it. Blink

Dislike his politics and his mouth and well what he stood for Lol but you cannot deny Mittens actually got things done.

So Mums the word oh glorious leader.Smile

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#10 - 2013-03-29 22:49:28 UTC
I didn't say there weren't ANY unbiased nul-centric candidates available to vote for Steve. In fact my two votes are probably going to come your way. As in real life if you don't place your vote or at least do something to effect change you can't complain when everything turns to ****.

On further investigation there is another candidate promoting work on the industrial side of EVE but alas reading between the lines he is also pushing the 'buff nul-sec' card as well.

According to comment quoted on the 'Jestertrek' blog attributed to the English guy high up in CCP (Unifex?) nul sec may have some bad news coming their way in June so it may not be all sunshine and roses for them in the foreseeable future. Blink

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#11 - 2013-03-29 23:08:08 UTC
I think the CSM is underpromoted by CCP.

If there was more metagame spin from ccp the whole election and politics would get a lot more attention both from players and as PR material.

Without such attention the democratic process is bound to become blob-like block voting.

The player created content is really good, but it simply is not far reaching enough.

I believe we need election percentages and ccp actively trying to get those numbers up.

Also the CSM should be more directly democratic. So we might get something resembling propositions where we can see what the candidates vote on. Sure some of this comes out in some part from the minutes, but those tend to get a bit windy.

I think CSM and all of its ctivity should get attention of the same quality as the tournaments, especially because it fundamentally matters more.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#12 - 2013-03-30 00:28:16 UTC
I agree with Trebor the CSM is too srsbusiness now, no one wants to join it.

With how hard or annoying being on the CSM would be, its makes sense to me how low the candidate count is. Of course we do have good people, but being on the CSM seems to have moved away from politics and such to just who can handle an annoying job for a year.

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