Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hmmm, a few thoughts:
- The TE nerf is going to brutalize damage projection on the Talos and Tornado. I don't think that the Talos will remain workable, but the Oracle should remain ok on that front. The Tornado was never my favorite, but it'll probably remain workable if I'm in the mood for it.
- The Talos's mobility nerf is pretty brutal, but it wasn't going to be viable after the TE nerf anyway.
- The Tornado's mobility nerf is also pretty brutal but it had enough that it'll probably make it out alive on the strength of the dual web slot layout. At the very worst you can still use it for Arty gate camping.
- The Naga wasn't useful at all because it's mobility was ******* terrible. The Oracle now has it's ******* terrible mobility, which will probably kill the Oracle for me.

I guess I probably won't fly Tier 3s anymore, but there's enough other options that I'll be fine.

-Liang

Jesus christ man you act like the TE nerf is cutting the total range of the Talos by 33%,

Its not


Its losing 4km of fall off, and 1km of optimal, its not crippling the ship in anyway at all, it can still fight in exactly the same ranges it fought in before.

EDIT:

Pre Nerf Talos - 16+29

Post Nerf Talos - 15+25


Stop the presses and scrap the ship its totally fuc...oh wait. Damn thats still totally functional isn't it, oh well. Carry on crying about the sky falling.

EDIT: And if you think slowing it by 50 m/s and making it align 0.4 seconds slower is brutal then theres probably no hope for you.

Translation: "WHAAA CAREBEARS DONT POP FAST ENOUGH"
You know what? This.

Liang is not on his best day. Usually he is quite able to grasp the reality (although stubornly). So much that I believe that he is trolling

*herp derp, never mind

I do, but I fail t see how this change alters the Talos at all.

Can it-

• Still fight out side web range - check

• Still fight outside scram range - check

• Still fight outside lach scram range - check

• Still fight outside heavy neut range - check

So though I do often times see your posting and generally you seem like you know what you're talking about, I'm going to need some kind of details as to how that very minor, and i mean VERY minor loss in range, and agility (you're not that good, you won't notice less than half a second, your internet connection wont notice it, your computer won't notice it, and no matter how good you think you are your reflexes won't notice it).

Seriously, tell me how and when, and why that loss of range makes that ship any less than it was, use specific examples.

If you can't provide actual examples of the Talos failing because of that range loss then you're acting like the same Chicken Little kind of poster that the rest of us are making fun of in that other thread.


EDIT: Looking at it, you were pushing 450 DPS paper DPS at 45, probably still 375 or better DPS at 50km, you're now looking at 450 paper DPS at 40km, and around 340 or better DPS at 50km.

So yea, while you normally post like you have a clue, if you can't show me how this ship fails with actual realistic examples due to that 4km range loss I'm calling shenanigans.

Personally, and i can speak for many others, I do not fly any of the other BC's Tier 3 only, their indtroduction made all others irrelevant, and that is the cause for most of peoples complaints, no matter how shallow it was. It eliminated the need to bring a battleship, because you can do 1000 dps in a talos, why bring a Mega Etc.

Fundamentally it was a cool idea to have these ships in the game, but in the end it made things very cheesy. I havent flown a hurricane in about a year, because after the introduction of the tornado it made the hurricane completely irrelevant and also due to the fact it was nerfed so hard it basically has no use left in the game.

I digress...T3 bc's are cool, and they made most other BC choices irrelevant.

People have to generally foam at the mouth for ship changes to be good. So they either don't realize what effect these changes are going to have on the ships or you need to do a couple more passes.

Really this change and TE change are only hurting people who are bad at eve since it makes mistakes more costly. you will definitely see who are the bads in t3 fleets when you get dropped on and half the fleet wasn't already aligned. The ship itself won't be able to compensate for bad piloting anymore.

However, I still feel they are too strong. Nerfing agility and mass is the right direction but as grath said these are always going to be preferable to other bc's in small gang because it doesn't matter how much ehp you have if you can't outrun a larger group and with cruisers being viable and t3s combination of speed+damage projection the other bcs are getting completely outclassed in this area.

p.s. torp naga never forget o7

p.s.s fix railguns pls

Torp Naga forever.

Because these are fleet ships, not solo ships. You should have fast tackle accompanying you.