Player Features and Ideas Discussion

How are they problems?

What fleets of tr3s do you see? You see artynados and railnagas. They can kill stuff from 200km away. They have extremely high alpha. 2 nagas on a gatecamp make it pretty much non-engageble in a cruiser, since they will kill a well tanked cruiser in about 30s (maybe up to 60s if they dont trust their tackle and do it from 200km instead of 100km), and can do this from almost anywhere on grid.

I'm fully aware of the link between mass and speed under prop mod, although the relationship isn't exponential, except it is. That's why it doesn't make sense to look at mass in isolation.

BTW, the most overpowered rig was the Propellant Injection Vent, which increased the speed bonus from MWDs and ABs. But the old polycarbons are firmly in second place.

I've been in Oracle fleets as well. They all (all the tier 3 BCs) have their place, though it is usually in niche situations as far as large fleets go, since they vaporize when an FC looks at them funny. Increasing their base sig means they can be probed down faster (I think the problem I've seen with jacking sniper tier 3s was usually spies on comms announcing "they have a warp in!" though).

I still think they should have a slightly worse scan res, but these are solid changes.

Im saying people fly them because they are overpowered and take far more effort to deal with than to use.

And bcs killing cruisers is fine. Killing them in seconds from 200k is not.

Yes, this is how kiting works, you approach f1 with mwd on

If their scan res were reduced, it would give lighter fleets the opportunity to warp off when a sniper tier 3 BC fleet landed at range. Other than that, I don't see a big deal. Attack BCs sniping BSs and/or caps from long range looks like working as intended to me.

The sig radius increase is unnecessary imo, what's the reasoning behind it?

As far as I can tell all it does it make a set of ships that were already very vulnerable to bombs even more vulnerable. Not that I'm complaining, I love bombing T3s, I just don't understand why it was done.

No, I'm saying a lighter fleet should be able to warp out, get a closer warp in and come in and brawl them at close range if the sniper fleet is dumb enough to sit around and let them. Attack BC should be able to snipe you if you are dumb enough to sit at range and let them. My problem with ABCs is they can warp in at range on a lighter fleet and kill one or two before the other fleet warps out. I don't think that is working as intended.

Im not assuming approach, im assuming maximal transversal with completely perpendicular velocity. This is pretty hard to do in-game and also means you dont actually close distance on the naga, ever.

A caracal cant damp or TD a naga from 100k, let alone 200k. Also, even if you could, it can still hit you, it still locks to 144k if you damp it, or applies 200-450 dps from 40 to 130km. Oh yeah, all my numbers are assuming no heat, if they heat on you the damage is obviously greater.

And again, this is assuming maximal traversal, which is something difficult to do in game.