Warfare & Tactics

Cloaked inside plexes are solved by *NEW* mechanic:
- Interact with beacon like one does with iHubs and deposit 2000LP for a decloaking field with a 30km radius to be deployed and remain in place until plex closes.

There sorted. Can we get on to the heavy stuff?

You mean like how they made it profitable?

You say potato, I say multi-billion dollar snack industry.

Same referent different vocalization. vOv

like the pure number of kills would matter. Nobody wants to fight pve ships, pve ships don't want to fight too, still they influence where you can dock and where not. Thats a conflict of interests. I would trade all those pve ships against a few pvp ships any time.

but CCP probably looked at the statistics and said, hey FW is growing on popularity, and hey even the number of kills grows. But they don't look at the value of the killed ships or what the situation was as the fight happened. like a farmer who did not alt-tab to the right window fast enough.


whats even more funny but a bit off topic:
they did the same mistake again. The orbital bombardment destroyers are all pve ships with meta 1 guns + cloak. No mods or skills influence OB. So people simply use 0 risk ships with trial alts for that. Wait till they add some form of rewards and we are in the same situation.

PvP'ers are not looking for stabbed cloaky evasion farmers. So your proposed 'fix' is a complete waste of time and forum space. PvP'ers have no problem finding PvP. They also have no problem finding stabbed cloaky evasion farmers either for that matter.

I just think you lack the faculties to comprehend what people want, though as always feel free to post your inane ideas. Theres no IQ restrictions here. I for one have the patience to keep explaining to you why its a complete waste of time.

A notification system does nothing to stop carebears, because its no fun chasing cloaky evasion farmers so no one will do it outside home systems (which is exactly the case as it stands currently). Only removing lp for plexing will cure the farming, though the other consequences that come with that i feel are counter productive to the health of low sec.

Basically, stop being so bitter than people out there are making isk.

Making the act of plexing slightly less passive would be a good step, and about all that could be done without damaging other things in low-sec / FW;

-Timers counting back, so its possible for 1 person to keep timers running back by chasing farmers out of plexes in a home systems (or anywhere else they like) unlike right now where you can only chase 1 at a time while the other 2 run timers in the other 2 plexes.
-Slightly tweak rats tank upwards in smalls and mediums.
-No warp core stabs in plexes.
-Some method to address the advantage of cloaking a ship in a plex to evade pvp. While i dont know if anything can be done here, it is the most frustrating and cynical plexing strategy that should somehow have no place in FW.

Maybe that is the case for you but you are the rare exception. Most of the alts having the largest impact on the warzone are not keen on having their whereabouts announced to the enemy.




Sure intel channels are a good thing. But they are obviously not enough - unless you are fine with 90% of the warzone being determined by alts in pve fits. You and most of the gallente posters seem fine with that. The vast majority have given up on caring about this broken system.

The intel channels would still have a purpose and indeed would be used allot more than the current ones. They would be used to send pilots into actual pvp combat instead of to chase stabbed ships.

There is no way of forcing players to want to fight.

Simple as that.

Sov is a pve system and it needs to be because any pvp only sov mechinc will be horiibly exploited to a level that will make inferno seem like pocket change and CCP would probably kill it off altogther.

Eh? Pure numbers matters a lot. None of the first 10 kills of his I checked were pve ship, so its logical to assume the same for the rest. And the vast majority of plex farming occurs in backwaters with no stations, precisely because few people care to defend them. If you're letting farmers flip your staging systems, you may be doing something wrong.
If OB becomes important, they could just restrict it from trial accounts. But as with current plexing, no one will care about DUST matches fought in backwater systems.

This is absolutely true, but I don't think the problem is any less severe. Everyone who lives in these backwater systems feels the impact on a day-to-day basis, and while we are indeed fewer in number than the "core" faction war players, I don't feel that makes the problem (faction war mechanics actively encouraging avoiding PvP) any less serious.

That said, if the logic for not fixing poses is "but only a few people use them", I can see why faction war is being left leaking LP everywhere.

Most systems have stations so its wrong to say the vast majority of plexing occurs in systems with no stations.

But again the amin reason no one cares about the sov game is because its a bad game. If the fw sov were a good game then people would do it and care about it.

They don't want to defend them because it is pretty much an impossible and boring task with these mechanics. Change the mechanics and we have lots of pvp, fighting for sov thoughout the warzone. It would be a good game that people would care about.