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Farmatar: Or why fw is totally broken

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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#401 - 2013-04-13 17:16:05 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
Instead of an instant per-plex notification.

What about a + or - on the system with a % value that its changed in the past hour?

...


I don't think that would change anything.


Though, it shouldnt stop him from repeating the same bad idea for the next year or two, right?
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#402 - 2013-04-13 18:22:10 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Instead of an instant per-plex notification.

What about a + or - on the system with a % value that its changed in the past hour?

Then its useful still but not directly aimed at getting all the plexers ganked by everyone the second they tick any timers! because the misuse of the notifications by bored pirates (or anyone) with alts/spys in FW, is a serious issue for the genuine continuity of FW.

FW already gets a good kick in the balls when it comes to lock outs, farming alts system flips by out side influences. While FW space in general low sec and alts are easy any extra information thats made available needs to be carefully thought out. We dont want another ccp knee jerk OTT change to shut 5 forum warriors up while ruining 10,000 fw players year.



It depends who you want to attract to fw sov plexing.

If you want to attract people who want to fly pve ships and avoid pvp then an instant notification proposal will not be good.

Personally I don't mind it if people want to join fw for pve. They can do missions all day and night if they want, and make billions of isk.

But I do think fw sov should be a pvp mechanic. I don't really think the current situation where carebearing is how sov is determined in over 90% of systems is good. Right now there are only drawbacks for pvpers to join faction war.

For people who like to pvp instant notifications will be a great change. If you are afraid of hotdrops during bunker busts then don't give notifications for bunker busts. Will pirates and neutrals also come to fight in plexes? I hope so. They can help with the rabbits too.

of course several week old alt characters will leave fw. This will definitely ruin fw for that 10,000 or so alt characters.

Even so I think most alts will just run the missions instead. But those who leave will be more than replaced with pvpers. And it won't just be players from other parts of eve that come to farm isk. Many new players to eve will stay longer becasue eve will finally have something that provides frequent quality pvp. Thats something it sorely lacks now. Each new pvper will likely bring in 2 accounts. And I wouldnt' be surprised if eve had another 100k subscriptions in 2 years.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#403 - 2013-04-13 22:16:01 UTC
So now notifications will boost ccps subscriber base......... sign him up guys here comes CCP_Cearain
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#404 - 2013-04-15 16:01:56 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
So now notifications will boost ccps subscriber base......... sign him up guys here comes CCP_Cearain



Faction war can certainly be a major feature. There are about 500,000 subscribers to eve. That is likely at least 1 million characters. Yet fw doesn't even bring in 20,000 characters. Yes fixing faction war has allot of potential for helping eve.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#405 - 2013-04-16 02:38:55 UTC
This thread not been locked yet?!

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#406 - 2013-04-16 09:06:18 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
This thread not been locked yet?!


CCP dont even have the resources to lock a thread about FW much less fix anything.

They are probably busy working on giving the domi model extra green lumps or somthing

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#407 - 2013-05-02 14:17:55 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
This thread not been locked yet?!


Its unlikely that locking these threads will do much. CCP needs to just do the things they originally planned on doing - Notifications and rollbacks. Until then carebearing will be the best way to win sov, and we will have threads like this popping up.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#408 - 2013-05-02 14:32:26 UTC
It's Necro day in FW!
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#409 - 2013-05-02 14:42:59 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
It's Necro day in FW!



Same problem of rabbit plexing keeps coming up again and again. So rather than repeat the same solutions in different threads maybe ccp should just sticky a thread to deal with this issue.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#410 - 2013-05-02 14:47:32 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
It's Necro day in FW!



Same problem of rabbit plexing keeps coming up again and again. So rather than repeat the same solutions in different threads maybe ccp should just sticky a thread to deal with this issue.


Beacause ccp dont see it as broken its not on the same level as it was pre ninja patch and doesnt get the publicity it got for it on well known eve related sites that practically said go here print LPs make lots of isk

On that fanfest link i posted for you they mentioned it was a mess before the changes and now its at something there happy with.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#411 - 2013-05-02 14:55:23 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
It's Necro day in FW!



Same problem of rabbit plexing keeps coming up again and again. So rather than repeat the same solutions in different threads maybe ccp should just sticky a thread to deal with this issue.


Beacause ccp dont see it as broken its not on the same level as it was pre ninja patch and doesnt get the publicity it got for it on well known eve related sites that practically said go here print LPs make lots of isk

On that fanfest link i posted for you they mentioned it was a mess before the changes and now its at something there happy with.



Oh you mean the link that proved you lied about what CCP said?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#412 - 2013-05-02 14:58:45 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
Cearain wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
It's Necro day in FW!



Same problem of rabbit plexing keeps coming up again and again. So rather than repeat the same solutions in different threads maybe ccp should just sticky a thread to deal with this issue.


Beacause ccp dont see it as broken its not on the same level as it was pre ninja patch and doesnt get the publicity it got for it on well known eve related sites that practically said go here print LPs make lots of isk

On that fanfest link i posted for you they mentioned it was a mess before the changes and now its at something there happy with.



Oh you mean the link that proved you lied about what CCP said?



huh did u even watch it at all?


Your whiney posts even went from CCP wants to do this to they planned to but didnt :( sad panda
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#413 - 2013-05-02 15:09:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Cearain wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:

On that fanfest link i posted for you they mentioned it was a mess before the changes and now its at something there happy with.



Oh you mean the link that proved you lied about what CCP said?



huh did u even watch it at all?


Your whiney posts even went from CCP wants to do this to they planned to but didnt :( sad panda


At 24:50 he said they simply had time constraints so didn't add it. I gave you a link were ccp said they wanted a notification systems or at least better intel tools. Its earlier in this thread as well.

ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
cearain wrote:

Thats just it. CCP has already said they would like to do notifications


No they didnt as i said watch retribution round up of this years fanfest the dev says they had a notification system ready but yanked it cos its not in the essence of the sandbox..


Please give the point in the talk where the dev said this.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

greg01
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#414 - 2013-05-03 08:41:53 UTC
As always some good ideas from all sides of the war zone. One thing is certain, CCP has made faction warfare much more interesting. You can now be a farmer or a pvp'r or both.

Would there be more complaining about cloaky/stabbed farmers if they were all on the Caldari/Amarr side?? Maybe? We'll never know at this time.

Low sec FW was relatively taken up by a select few in the past. Now it is busier than ever. This IS a good thing for everyone. I think ppl need to realise there is always a side(s) that will have the upper hand (no high five joke intended here) in FW. The fun comes from seeing the challenge in this!

What I would like to see is all four militias separate from each other. Separate the Amarr from Caldari and the Minmatar from Gallente. Let's see what happens afterwards?

Also, timer rollbacks. Just make things a wee bit harder for them pesky farmers.

Regards

tbm
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#415 - 2013-05-03 08:49:44 UTC
greg01 wrote:


What I would like to see is all four militias separate from each other. Separate the Amarr from Caldari and the Minmatar from Gallente. Let's see what happens afterwards?




This would be great - but they need to put the 0.5 faction standing requirement to join FW back in place too.


The removal of the standing requirement is a major cause of the farmer alt invasion.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#416 - 2013-05-03 09:01:23 UTC
ccp have many active account in fw therefore fw works just fine.

They should be more concerned about the tremendous isk they are creating here for little effort iwth a brand new char with no skills, which i thought they didnt like to do - perhaps thats a good angle of attack to get some attention?

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Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#417 - 2013-05-03 09:46:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Colt Blackhawk
Muad 'dib wrote:
ccp have many active account in fw therefore fw works just fine.

They should be more concerned about the tremendous isk they are creating here for little effort iwth a brand new char with no skills, which i thought they didnt like to do - perhaps thats a good angle of attack to get some attention?



Maybe that is the point.
A brandnew 3day old char can still make easily 1b isk/day simply for joining farmatar. Completely crazy.

Btw we really need a fix for fw missions. 50% of all minmatards I see fly a cloaky bomber to make 50b/month.
CCP is flooding eve with isk again.

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.

Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#418 - 2013-05-03 10:12:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Veshta Yoshida
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
Maybe that is the point.
A brandnew 3day old char can still make easily 1b isk/day simply for joining farmatar. Completely crazy.

Btw we really need a fix for fw missions. 50% of all minmatards I see fly a cloaky bomber to make 50b/month.
CCP is flooding eve with isk again.

- Tier modifier's at least halved with lowest tier changed to 0 (ie. neither positive nor negative modifier) .. Fixed.

- Missions to hostile space only ... Fixed.
- Poison pills in missions .. Fixed.

Anything else? Big smile

Question on my mind is: where the hell was everyone in the months up to the FarmWarâ„¢ this time last year? Was the prospect of infinite LP -> ISK so alluring as to completely shut down peoples ability to reason .. the end result was never in question only the scale of it (even I in my Doom'n'Gloom mode underestimated the farmtastic numbers involved!).

Shame on you all, Shame!
ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#419 - 2013-05-03 14:06:56 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:

CCP is flooding eve with isk again.


Altough i get the sentiment of this...... Fw is actually an isk sink u may get a few mill from the bonus to mission but u have to put isk into the store to convert your lp the reason why we are getting rich is that were the bottleneck for faction goods, not because ccp are creating piles of isk like say what happened with incursions all our isk is from other players.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#420 - 2013-05-03 14:26:50 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Altough i get the sentiment of this...... Fw is actually an isk sink u may get a few mill from the bonus to mission but u have to put isk into the store to convert your lp the reason why we are getting rich is that were the bottleneck for faction goods, not because ccp are creating piles of isk like say what happened with incursions all our isk is from other players.

They are not doing it directly, that much is true. But between encouraging alt use and gametime from marketable plex they end up doing it indirectly .. person buys GTC -> redeems into plex -> sells to characters/alts generating ISK through missions/incursions/ratting .. so while FW is not the origin point of the ISK, it is a contributor to peoples willingness to buy GTCs and thus infuse more money into game and CCP's coffers.

Anything that does not remove ISK from game outright is participating in the circle of inflation by incentivizing the GTC - Plex trade (ISK is used when available).