EVE General Discussion

And you should be commended for taking such an impressive and firm stance. /salute

Well, no. Successful jamming prevents you from using offensive modules for 20 seconds. Will your heroic stance against ECM now crumble that you understand it doesn't log your character out of the game?

See, I think that CCP does get that . . . are you saying that ECM cripples very small-gang pvp? How?


Ahh, there's the example. I'm curious about your setup: what types of BS were you three flying? Any support ships? Fit for short range or long range? How much ECM? Where did you engage the Scorpion? Was he alone? Did you chose to engage, or were you attacked?

Please elaborate, it'll make your argument stronger or allow others to fairly evaluate your concerns.


Pretty sure that's not true, but I guess I honestly don't know what this CCP guy you are talking about truly thinks in his (or her!) heart of hearts. Also . . .you may be exaggerating. A lot. And probably also still thinking that the Falcon will force all of your ships to log off - remember, that's not what ECM does.

Not to keep pointing these things out, but some of your problem seems to be that you have a very narrow definition of "actual fights" which seems to involve nothing more than locking up all the opposition (3-5 ships total, and all must be sitting in your optimal range), hitting F1, orbiting, and then seeing who dies first. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, that really seems like your idea of a "gudfight." (I now expect you to explain how you don't mind logistics, all other forms of EWAR, sniper ships, cloaky-probing scouts, etc., but I'll tell you now I'm going to have a really hard time believing it)


Let's face . . .what? Wow . . .


So it's not the mechanic that bothers you, it's . . . the fact that people employ the mechanic? Or enjoy it? Or again, is this just part of your riff against ships that outrange your battleship?

Nevermind, forum ate my post. I agree.

What the OP describes is Sensor Damping, as was pointed out multiple times.

That said, an all-or-nothing approach for ECM isn't good. Either you're useless and ineffective as an ECM pilot, or you change the game completely. There is no middle ground, no in-between.

ECM deals with target locks: locked or not.
Not often mentioned is the secondary effect: the total number of targets that you can lock is reduced to zero.

Suppose ECM were adjusted. A successful jam cycle would still break your target locks. But instead of reducing the max number of targets straight to 0, the reduction is based on how successful was the jam cycle. You are still hurt , but you can re-establish the important locks up to your new max. The Falcon is still annoying to face, but it's not the end of life as we know it. The extent of your "damage" also scales inversely with your general firepower: the larger ships with lower scan res are more crippled with re-lock times than the smaller ships. But the larger ships have increased sensor strength, so they're naturally harder to jam.

Maybe if changes like this happen, we can stop adding new mandatory skills that just widen the gap between veteran and newbie.

Having said all of that, I would also like to add that I primarily fly Falcons when I can. I love reducing your offensive capability while fleet mates lock you in place with webs and scrams and other fleet mates drain your cap. Your pod is going nowhere and will not hurt anyone when we're through!

(Oh, and double-check those ECM strength numbers. Falcons can do much better than 11)


Actually, if I miss all jams, I immediately cloak up as long as I'm not targeted, and then time my decloak to the jam cycle. There are VERY effective counters to long-ranged ships such as ECM boats, besides incompetence, and when those counters are on the field it's silly to expose squishy ECM ships.

So... you don't like Gunnery skills and Modules?

Odd, I thought EvE was all about taking chances?

STOP INTEGRATING CHANCE !!!!

At 1-2 ships perma jammed per rook/falcon, assuming you know their shiptypes in advance so you can fit the right jammer, or have perfect fleet coordination, additionally, you are INREDIBLY fragile, and otherwise of little use.

also: Posting in a 'lets turn ECM into sensor damps' thread.

But that would make guns a game breaker because with guns the target is either dead or its not. What we should do, after having gotten rid of ECM is make guns, IDK, somehow be not so game breaking. Maybe change guns so that the more they shoot you the slower and less functional your ship becomes.......

All ECM needs at this point is a range nerf.