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C2's are they Profitable?
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Jonny Evil
Illuminated
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2013-03-27 22:19:05 UTC
Just wanted to know how much isk you can get from a C2 WH.
Lenier Chenal
Offensive Upholder
#2 - 2013-03-27 22:49:22 UTC
Not much, but make sure to do it solo ok?
CeNSeR
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-03-27 23:01:20 UTC
Depends on the j number, so if you post the j number you intend to do your sleeper run in we can advise you better.
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#4 - 2013-03-27 23:20:33 UTC
Since there is no upper limit to how many sites can spawn in a wormhole system over time, you can run arbitrarily many sites. Therefore, assuming you earn more ISK than the value of ammo spent, the answer is infinite.
Cipio Alduin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-03-28 03:31:31 UTC
Trolling aside, You CAN make isk in c2 sites, but you have to be careful. A large POS fuel is very expensive so you cannot afford to lose many ships. You need to roll your hole and run your neighbor's sites. I want to say 24 or so mil a site on average. If you live in a c2 with a static into c3 or c4 space and run those sites you will make SUBSTANTIALLY more. In c3s it's an average of 50 mil a site, while a c4 averages more, although I don't feel comfortable giving an exact number for c4s as I've not run enough of them yet.

Hope this helps!
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-03-28 04:19:32 UTC
Cipio Alduin wrote:
Trolling aside, You CAN make isk in c2 sites, but you have to be careful. A large POS fuel is very expensive so you cannot afford to lose many ships. You need to roll your hole and run your neighbor's sites. I want to say 24 or so mil a site on average. If you live in a c2 with a static into c3 or c4 space and run those sites you will make SUBSTANTIALLY more. In c3s it's an average of 50 mil a site, while a c4 averages more, although I don't feel comfortable giving an exact number for c4s as I've not run enough of them yet.

Hope this helps!


They average about 95mil per site.
Winthorp
#7 - 2013-03-28 05:10:19 UTC
You don't live in a C2 to run your home C2 sites.
Farley genocent
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-03-28 07:02:08 UTC
C2's can and are profitable if done right. Picking the right hole with the right statics for you is key though. If you simply rely on doing the sites in your own hole they will dry up very quickly.

Be aware though that C2's are generally very active for pvp so be prepared to fight often.
Jonny Evil
Illuminated
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2013-03-28 10:59:17 UTC
Thanks guys, it is very helpful, The WH is J121952, it's a C2 with C2/LS static.
Vivian Marcos
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-03-28 12:19:53 UTC
Well your PI doesnt look to be that great... But ya, what cipio said. You make ~30 mil per site in a c2. Mag sites are pretty worthless unless you reverse engineer, and radars can give you a lot more (not many of those). If you do them with 2 people thats about 15mil per person. With that math it will take you 6 sites to buy your drake back if you lose it, at 15mins per site, that's about a hour and 45 mins to get 80/90 mil.

Looking at it like this it might be better, from an isk making viewpoint, to just do HS exploration or lv4s :). But if you really want to try out WH space, I suggest you do them fast and not lose too much :D.

(you also NEED either a BS or an orca to roll your static, and with 1 BS it will take nearly 2hrs)

Hey sky, get back to work! U 2 cips....
Jonny Evil
Illuminated
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2013-03-28 12:44:17 UTC
Vivian Marcos wrote:
Well your PI doesnt look to be that great... But ya, what cipio said. You make ~30 mil per site in a c2. Mag sites are pretty worthless unless you reverse engineer, and radars can give you a lot more (not many of those). If you do them with 2 people thats about 15mil per person. With that math it will take you 6 sites to buy your drake back if you lose it, at 15mins per site, that's about a hour and 45 mins to get 80/90 mil.

Looking at it like this it might be better, from an isk making viewpoint, to just do HS exploration or lv4s :). But if you really want to try out WH space, I suggest you do them fast and not lose too much :D.

(you also NEED either a BS or an orca to roll your static, and with 1 BS it will take nearly 2hrs)



thanks m8s, thats is some good help. I wanted to try it out and learn the ropes I figure a C1 was not worth it. I guess a C3 be a better choice for a small corp. C2 for solo.
Slaveofjita
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-03-28 16:30:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Slaveofjita
out of 33 c2 sites i got 573 million(72 ribbons) -17.3 m each site

It's really not worth it, if you are solo then a c3 with lowsec is pretty easy to hold and you can log in once a week to clear sites or a c2 with a c3 static is much better.

out of 41 c3 sites i got 1931 million(111 ribbons) - 48m each site

i haven't done enough sites to really give an accurate average but this should give you a rough estimate.

c2 with c4 static are better as long as you have some people on constantly run them with you or an alt since you can do them with 2 tengus or 3-4 battleships if you want(never tried with battleship just a guess).

your money is coming in from the static you have and not your home wh since sites just won't spawn fast enough.

Stay away from whs that have static c2s, they are **** in my opinion.
Kedv
#13 - 2013-03-31 02:51:46 UTC
Vivian Marcos wrote:
(you also NEED either a BS or an orca to roll your static, and with 1 BS it will take nearly 2hrs)
28 minutes.
Johnson 1044
Johnson Organic Produce
#14 - 2013-03-31 04:50:22 UTC
Yes. Mag sites are not worthless. If you have a low sec static, use it as a base for low sec exploration. Plenty of isk to be made all around.
Le Badass
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-03-31 09:07:25 UTC
A small corp can live and have fun in a C2. It won't make you space rich, and unless you farm 24/7, you won't be fielding T3s for PvP like the high end alliances.
However, there is action to be had and the money you make will support pvp up to BC class, which is also sufficient to deal with most situations.
... This is my experience, of course.

Also, mag sites aren't completely worthless. Think of them as anoms which aren't immediately warpable.
Jonny Evil
Illuminated
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2013-03-31 09:13:15 UTC
Johnson 1044 wrote:
Yes. Mag sites are not worthless. If you have a low sec static, use it as a base for low sec exploration. Plenty of isk to be made all around.


Low Sec exploration, didnt think of that, how much can be made from there Radar/Magne/Ladar sites anyways. I know I can run the connecting C2 WHs but didn't think of running Low Sec sigs.Big smile
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-03-31 12:42:54 UTC
In a C2 running sites, you won't make much more than mission running or perhaps slightly less due to inconsistency.

I live in a C2. I don't run the anoms. I just despawn the sites as they appear. Instead, I farm the static. My opinion on w-space is, if you can't make more than HS there's no point in being there. With that said, if you're skills allow you to "do it all", then you can mine, gas harvest, run anoms, etc just having fun with the game all in a C2.

If you're looking for a gaming experience, living in a C2 can be fun and challenging. If you're looking for isk, a C2 for income is not what you're looking for.

Don't ban me, bro!
Johnson 1044
Johnson Organic Produce
#18 - 2013-03-31 16:35:45 UTC
Jonny Evil wrote:
Johnson 1044 wrote:
Yes. Mag sites are not worthless. If you have a low sec static, use it as a base for low sec exploration. Plenty of isk to be made all around.


Low Sec exploration, didnt think of that, how much can be made from there Radar/Magne/Ladar sites anyways. I know I can run the connecting C2 WHs but didn't think of running Low Sec sigs.Big smile


A lot. Low sec mag sites in particular can be very good. Many of them are worthless but I've gotten almost 500 mil out of some of them. DED sites are also good and can have hundreds of millions in loot.
Seraph Castillon
In Control
Neon Nightmares
#19 - 2013-04-01 10:36:39 UTC
Jonny Evil wrote:
[quote=Johnson 1044]Low Sec exploration, didnt think of that, how much can be made from there Radar/Magne/Ladar sites anyways. I know I can run the connecting C2 WHs but didn't think of running Low Sec sigs.Big smile


Low sec exploration is a joke unless you get lucky with a DED site or spend the time to run the annex sites. If someone says he's gotten 500mil from a lowsec mag site then that's good for him. It doesn't happen often though and I wouldn't mind seeing proof either.
Komen
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-04-01 11:09:52 UTC
I've been in w-space for about two years now, and agree with most of this thread.

C2's aren't that great for iskies, BUT a C2 with c2/low connection ain't all bad. Just roll your c2 static, looking for a system with C3 connection, and that C3 needs to have enough farmable resources to keep you busy for your online session.

Secure the exits, scout the damn system (don't be the guys my corp kills), and isk-farm away.

W-space needs more targ...inhabitants.

See you in space.
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