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Doesn't seem like a scam, I don't see why someone with 10 pretty decent T2 BPOs would scam for what is a relatively small sum. Seems like the renter messed up and got punished excessively for it.

Pretty simple solution would be just to get a 3rd party to hold some collateral if people are renting from those they don't trust.

Edit: Other players with better reputations have run T2 BPO rentals in the past.

>Enter into rental agreement
>Break rental agreement
>Upset when rental agreement is cancelled

Sums up that thread.

The way I read the story is that while the guy who was renting could have been kinder they didn't -have- to be and in either case it wasn't a "scam" as such.

The renter disappeared from the game and didn't pay what was owed.
The "landlord" made multiple attempts over a period of days to contact the renter.
The renter did not respond.
The "landlord" took action and cleared the premises for a new renter.
A few days later the renter shows up and gets mad.

At this point, sure, the "landlord" could have returned the stuff but they were under no obligation to do so. The fault and the cause of the situation is all on the renter. They disappeared, they didn't give notice of said absence, and they didn't make alternative arrangements should they be forced offline for multiple days. If I know that real life might step up and interrupt my game time I let people know of that uncertainty.

Okay, unforeseen situations do happen.. no worries there but if that happened to me I wouldn't expect the "landlord" to be holding onto my stuff just in case I came back.

I'm not saying that this wasn't a bit of a jerk move by the "landlord" but that doesn't make it a scam.

So, yeah, no scam in this situation and thus to address the OP: No, scams like these don't happen since, in my view, it wasn't a scam in the first place.

Actually, the renter DID pay what was owed. He was fully up to date on rent. The ONLY reason the BPO owner cancelled the whole thing, and stole his items was because the pos, all the contents of which, belonged to the renter, and which wasn't shot, went offline for a couple days.

Thanks for all the input though. It's good to see how everyone views the way events panned out. For anyone who isn't clear, I'll summarize in brief:

Renter was fully paid, in advance, on rent. Had to go away on business for 5 days, didn't have any means of accessing eve. During that time, he wasn't able to fuel the control tower that contained ONLY stuff belonging to him. All the BPOS were safely locked in the station. Corp was not wardecced, pos was not shot at. BPO owner sent him a few messages, then kicked him from the corp (Despite being fully paid for the rent, the pos not being attacked, and the BPOs not being at any risk), and stole all his assetts. Upon learning that RL happened the way it did, BPO owner refused to make ANY accomodations, was incredibly vulgar, and refused to return any of the Renters stuff.

Hence why I call it a scam/theft.

The renter had no reason/right to take anything that was not part of the agreement in first place, no matter if he (slightly) broke it or not.
Not like evil toy had a reputation that could have been destroyed, he had no Forum history at all before this happaned, so the Argument -Reputation > Isk- has literally no weight here. 22b are well worth burning some random alt

Yeah, hence why I made a thread in a different forum about it, but thanks for the input whoever you are.



Yeah I agree that an alt is worth 22b, even if it does require several 100bn in T2 BPOs tied up, however if it were a scam why take the chance of him breaking the agreement? Why not just take the lot on day 2, it doesn't really make any logical sense to me, the faster he takes all the stuff the faster he can recycle the alt and fake a sale of the BPOs and do it again on a new character.

It's a valid point, why not take it on day2, and my reasoning is that probably so that he can have 'some excuse' of why he was justified to take it. If not a scam, still theft.

not quite true,

if toy would have just cancelled the contract and just denie to refund the fee for the renting, you could say that. unfortunetly there is the little thing with the investment of 22b that have never been a part of the agreement.