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Mac with OSX or Windows. Which is better for eve?

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ariana ailith
Dukalin
#1 - 2013-03-27 20:06:24 UTC
I have a spare Mac Mini and currently run Eve on it on OSX.
Unfortunately it's a bit wonky and slow as one would expect from the Mac port.

I'm wondering if eve would run better on that same Mini if i run it with Windows.

I could just try, but since installing it and such is solely for Eve it would take a few hours. Hours I rather spend doing something else if I'm only going to find out it makes no difference.

Does anyone have any experience with this?

The mini in question is a Mid 2011 model, i5 2.3Ghz, 8GB ram with a Intel HD3000 GPU (So 512mb video ram)

No, I'm not buying a PC. I have this Mini.
Yes, I know Eve generally runs poorly on Mac.
No, I do not need your input/reply if you have nothing useful to say on my specific question.

Please share your experiences so I can make a somewhat educated decision to try or not. Thanks! Big smile
Posta Wifda Mosta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-03-27 20:11:15 UTC
I personally would think the native OS rather then some kind of VM.
ariana ailith
Dukalin
#3 - 2013-03-27 20:12:58 UTC
Yes, I'm not looking into installing a VM...
I mean run the "real" windows in Bootcamp. Same as making a dualboot.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-03-27 20:13:06 UTC
From personal experience of when I did use a Mac. The windows seemed to have better graphics for some reason on the same computer.

Other than that it performed pretty much the same.

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The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-03-27 20:16:02 UTC
Switching it to windows won't make much of a difference as the issue seems to be hardware.
Specifically the fact that the mini uses an integrated video card.
Physically upgrading the mini is impossible. (Or so it seems, I haven't attempted it, I have used mac minis before, but never opened one up physically since well they're a bit of an odd shape)

My suggestion would be to lower the graphic settings. Sure it won't look great, but the choice you have is playability vs visuals. To me, on my laptop that I use at my girlfriend's house, I run on medium/low which is better than not running it at all.

Just try lowering the graphic settings.

ESPECIALLY, SHADOWs. Shadows always kill video cards performence even integrated. It is the video cards natural enemy the way that things render to create shadows.
Posta Wifda Mosta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-03-27 20:16:58 UTC
ariana ailith wrote:
Yes, I'm not looking into installing a VM...
I mean run the "real" windows in Bootcamp. Same as making a dualboot.


Bootcamp is still a virtual machine.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#7 - 2013-03-27 20:16:59 UTC
Windows obviously, everybody knows its the superior system.

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ariana ailith
Dukalin
#8 - 2013-03-27 20:24:31 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
From personal experience of when I did use a Mac. The windows seemed to have better graphics for some reason on the same computer.

Other than that it performed pretty much the same.



The game itself runs fine, or so it seems.
But the FPS is awful, even on low settings. So it could be worth the try then :)
Mark Munoz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-03-27 20:36:22 UTC
Posta Wifda Mosta wrote:
ariana ailith wrote:
Yes, I'm not looking into installing a VM...
I mean run the "real" windows in Bootcamp. Same as making a dualboot.


Bootcamp is still a virtual machine.


Bootcamp is not a virtual machine please educate yourself before you go around spouting "facts".

Bootcamp is nothing more than marketing lingo Apple uses to dub its driver set it gives so that your Mac can run Windows natively no different than a Dell would.


Yes running windows has given me more than double the performance. The Mac client sucks. They use something called TransGaming to accomplish the Mac version of EVE. Transgaming is essentially virtualization with the specific purpose of a game. It performs better than say Parallels or VMWare as it is tailored to your specific game but the performance is horrible compared to native performance.
Inu Motsu
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-03-27 21:00:33 UTC
Posta Wifda Mosta wrote:
ariana ailith wrote:
Yes, I'm not looking into installing a VM...
I mean run the "real" windows in Bootcamp. Same as making a dualboot.


Bootcamp is still a virtual machine.

Wow. How ignorant.

Mark Munoz is right : mac client sucks, even on decent mac configs. The main concern is, it uses cider (apple wine... hehe) in order to access graphical output layer.

So the right answer is, if you have a Windows key (seven works fine for me), give it a try install it on your mac. Most games are nicer and put less stress on your GPU on Windows (even with older drivers).
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#11 - 2013-03-27 21:20:53 UTC
Other things to think about:

Yes it will run faster. But what else do you use the computer for? If everything else you do on that computer is on the Mac side you will find yourself booting back and forth. An exercise in tedium. You may find its better to accept a reduction in graphics and a lower FPS rather than booting over and over.

Now if its a dedicated Eve only computer, this issue goes away.

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ariana ailith
Dukalin
#12 - 2013-03-27 21:22:30 UTC
Right, bootcamp is not a VM.

I think I just need to try Windows and see how things go.

@vincent - Yea that's an excellent point. But I have my iMac as my main computer. The mini, as mentioned, is a spare and does nothing else but Eve at the moment.

Thanks guys!
Mark Munoz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-03-27 21:23:26 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Other things to think about:

Yes it will run faster. But what else do you use the computer for? If everything else you do on that computer is on the Mac side you will find yourself booting back and forth. An exercise in tedium. You may find its better to accept a reduction in graphics and a lower FPS rather than booting over and over.

Now if its a dedicated Eve only computer, this issue goes away.


This is very true.

I find myself playing on the Mac side FAR more than Windows regardless of the performance hit. Usually the only time I am logged into the Windows side is if it's the weekend and I don't actually have to get real work done.
Posta Wifda Mosta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-03-27 22:37:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Posta Wifda Mosta
Mark Munoz wrote:
Posta Wifda Mosta wrote:
ariana ailith wrote:
Yes, I'm not looking into installing a VM...
I mean run the "real" windows in Bootcamp. Same as making a dualboot.


Bootcamp is still a virtual machine.


Bootcamp is not a virtual machine please educate yourself before you go around spouting "facts".

Bootcamp is nothing more than marketing lingo Apple uses to dub its driver set it gives so that your Mac can run Windows natively no different than a Dell would.


Yes running windows has given me more than double the performance. The Mac client sucks. They use something called TransGaming to accomplish the Mac version of EVE. Transgaming is essentially virtualization with the specific purpose of a game. It performs better than say Parallels or VMWare as it is tailored to your specific game but the performance is horrible compared to native performance.


Sure it is, without bootcamp will a mac run windows? No it won't, so boot camp is in effect a virtual machine for windows. Duh
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#15 - 2013-03-27 22:41:17 UTC
ariana ailith wrote:
Right, bootcamp is not a VM.

I think I just need to try Windows and see how things go.

@vincent - Yea that's an excellent point. But I have my iMac as my main computer. The mini, as mentioned, is a spare and does nothing else but Eve at the moment.

Thanks guys!

You might find eve runs better on an iMac under OSX than on a mini under Windows.

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Raiz Nhell
PeregrineXII
#16 - 2013-03-27 22:43:09 UTC
I have never played on the Windows Client so I can't judge the performance differences...

However I have run Eve quite happily for years on my MacPro, a 30inch cinema display makes for a good game experience....
And I run it on my MacBook Pro and MacBook Air...

I would run it natively on the Mac... it is just easier that having a nearly useless bootcamp partition on your HD...

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Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-03-27 22:48:54 UTC
Posta Wifda Mosta wrote:
Mark Munoz wrote:
Posta Wifda Mosta wrote:
ariana ailith wrote:
Yes, I'm not looking into installing a VM...
I mean run the "real" windows in Bootcamp. Same as making a dualboot.


Bootcamp is still a virtual machine.


Bootcamp is not a virtual machine please educate yourself before you go around spouting "facts".

Bootcamp is nothing more than marketing lingo Apple uses to dub its driver set it gives so that your Mac can run Windows natively no different than a Dell would.


Yes running windows has given me more than double the performance. The Mac client sucks. They use something called TransGaming to accomplish the Mac version of EVE. Transgaming is essentially virtualization with the specific purpose of a game. It performs better than say Parallels or VMWare as it is tailored to your specific game but the performance is horrible compared to native performance.


Sure it is, without bootcamp will a mac run windows? No it won't, so boot camp is in effect a virtual machine for windows. Duh


Yes it will, it's just not worth the hassle to do it without bootcamp, as all you gain is about 10GB of hard drive, while losing the one reason to buy mac in the first place.
Stan'din
Pandemic Alpha
#18 - 2013-03-27 23:28:00 UTC
Games: Windows > Mac









Nothing more to say

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Mark Munoz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-03-27 23:34:00 UTC
Posta Wifda Mosta wrote:
Mark Munoz wrote:
Posta Wifda Mosta wrote:
ariana ailith wrote:
Yes, I'm not looking into installing a VM...
I mean run the "real" windows in Bootcamp. Same as making a dualboot.


Bootcamp is still a virtual machine.


Bootcamp is not a virtual machine please educate yourself before you go around spouting "facts".

Bootcamp is nothing more than marketing lingo Apple uses to dub its driver set it gives so that your Mac can run Windows natively no different than a Dell would.


Yes running windows has given me more than double the performance. The Mac client sucks. They use something called TransGaming to accomplish the Mac version of EVE. Transgaming is essentially virtualization with the specific purpose of a game. It performs better than say Parallels or VMWare as it is tailored to your specific game but the performance is horrible compared to native performance.


Sure it is, without bootcamp will a mac run windows? No it won't, so boot camp is in effect a virtual machine for windows. Duh


Again please go educate yourself. Yes a Mac will run Windows, Linux, Unix, or any other OS designed to run on x86 hardware. Again bootcamp is DRIVERS. So that the pretty keyboard and mouse retain all their functions. Much in the same way a new computer you buy comes with a CD with DRIVERS on it. Bootcamp is the exact same thing. I am not sure why this is so hard for you to wrap your head around.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#20 - 2013-03-27 23:57:57 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
I got better performance running the Windows client in VMWare than running the Mac Client. Though I switched to running EVE exclusively on a Bootcamp partition last January

So, in my experience:
Bootcamp > VMWare + Windows Client > Mac Client.


Posta Wifda Mosta wrote:
Sure it is, without bootcamp will a mac run windows? No it won't, so boot camp is in effect a virtual machine for windows. Duh

Ugh

Make a partition, format it NTFS, and stick a Windows XP disk into any x86 Mac without ever running the bootcamp helper. It'll install and run just fine (though you may have trouble finding proper drivers for some hardware without going to the bootcamp disk).

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