Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Thank you VERY much, Goldensaver, you have helped save me from being just another "Oh noes, it's a nerf!" QQer! I fully approve of these fits and look forward VERY much to screwing someone over with them in the future!

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2813835#post2813835

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2813866#post2813866

As far as long range turrets are concerned. Provided a vessel using long range turrets is engaging another vessel of the same class or above. They should not have any issue tracking and applying damage to said ships.

I have used the rail-Deimos with alot of success and have had much experience with the artillery-Hurricane. I'm fairly sure long range turrets work well and I have lost ships to such lame.

Also. In the past I did participate in a rail-Brutix fleet. Bored and always innovative. My bros and I decided that if a artillery-Hurricane can work, why not rail-Brutix? However, we thought to use a beam habinger at first but capacitor became an issue.

And I now use a rail-Harpy and artillery-Thrasher to counter omnipresent tracking disruptoring frigates. I also plan on soloing alot more with the Muninn instead of the Vagabond.

I remember when nullisecunda started using railgun Proteus. I know 4 commanders who were chating about using them before Nullisecuda tried them. Clearly they worked really well. However, alpha is just to serious to ignore. Otherwise Protues doctrines would be the normal.

To sum things up.

All long range turrets seem to work well at skirmishing and in large FLEET engagements.


- killz

The Navy Vexor is what every drone aficionado has been begging for. The drones will have the speed, endurance, and damage output that the Algos offers. It will also have the Tristan's tracking bonus which is VERY powerful.

Navy Omen will be to the Zealot what the Stabber is to the Vagabond. (Stabber had not been successful so far)

Navy Osprey is still silly weak next to a missile Scythe.

I'll admit, in closer ranges one is better off using the HPL with Scorch fit than Heavy Beams with INMF. It uses less capacitor and has more than double the tracking (applied damage) and gets 329DPS (44+8.2km) versus the beams 361DPS (29+16km). However out to longer ranges the Beam fit will become much better, and will have extraordinary range. It makes a good fire support ship, and is smaller and faster than a Harbinger. It'll also be able to fit where a battlecruiser cannot (medium plexes, for example). It'll have a better time applying damage to cruiser and under ships than a beam Oracle as well, so that's a decent reason to use the NOmen instead of the Oracle.

I'll agree, the Beam NOmen won't have a good many uses, and the Pulse NOmen will be better in most reasonable ranges. To be honest, I only put the fit together to prove that the new NOmen has the fitting to use beams. Also, it only needed 2 rigs, or a rig and some implants. It didn't need 2 rigs and an implant unless you specifically tried to fit a heavier tank.

Also, it isn't just a one trick pony. I currently have an Omen fit that goes over 2.5km/s (without fleet, snakes, etc.) It gets 29km range with Pulses. The new NOmen will have 30m/s higher base speed as well as be lighter than the post patch Omen, let alone the pre-patch Omen. I should be able to get 3km/s out of it easily. So I don't even need to check the "Use T3 booster" box, it's fast enough without. But I know I'm blathering on about its one obvious role.

Its other role is a middling long range platform. It isn't as heavy as a Harbinger which will give you a heavy range platform, but with the optimal range bonus it'll certainly trade tank for range. It also has a smaller sig and can go faster, allowing it to speed tank somewhat versus the Harbinger. It'll be lighter, faster, and longer range versus the Harbinger, though at the cost of damage and tank. I don't know if it'll see too much use in this regard, but it does have a role there.

But honestly, I can't wait to be putting out 320 DPS to 44km optimal range while travelling over 3km/s, or probably 4-5km/s if I get snakes and overheat.

It will be strange flying a Gallente ship with such a large engagement envelope.

Not sure its quite as nice as this implies.

OP is vague on what "drone speed" means. It might be MWD or it might mean Orbit.
Tracking gain is half of the Tristan's. But if the orbit speed increases it just offsets proportionately (roughly).

Still, by comparison to the current NVex it will be nice.....dat speed/agility!!!

Will have to wait to see where it fits in the Tranq ecosystem (after everything else gets a pass+polish) before I jump for joy.

It was my impression that the two speeds are separate 'variables". Totally could be wrong here though. If you have info that proves otherwise I would appreciate a link!

After a couple of hours to sit around and play with the NOmen stats (now that GDC is over):
- The damage with HPL is just a bit too low, and damage with FMP is just terrible. The newly improved drone bay is obviously meant to help alleviate that, but I don't think it'll work out so well in practice.
- The Navy Omen is obviously meant to work with HPL (see FMP comment above), but it's fittings are just too tight for good workable fits (despite the +5 PG).
- The Navy Omen is probably pretty decent on capacitor. The 4 turrets are just under equivalent to 3/5s of today's NOmen cap use. It'll be hard to know for sure until I fly it personally.
- The Navy Omen looks to be faster and more agile than the Omen.

My gut feeling says the drone bay should be scaled back to 25m^3 and the damage bonus should be improved to 15%/level with marginally improved fittings. It loses theoretical DPS to the current version (201*1.5+158 = 460 DPS) but gains it in practical DPS (201*1.75+79=430). Either way, I'm sure we'll see how it performs for sure once things hit the test server.

-Liang

Ed: The new NOmen in it's current configuration actually still outdamages the Zealot (in theory) at 460 DPS vs 450 DPS. The NOmen I suggest would be outdamaged by the Zealot but would have a 25m^3 drone bay for frigate defense. It'd be a trade off (raw damage + kite damage vs frigate defense).

Anyway. I still like the new NOmen and don't want to see it turned into the millionth medium laser brawler platform as some suggest.

Maybe the ship would become too powerful if it was able to brawl and kite : brawl mean firepower and staying power ; kite mean super speed and projection ; being good at both is not very good IMO.

That may be the problem with the Stabber FI BTW : it's a super fast brawler, hence the nerf it gets.

Liang, I agree with what you're saying. But I kind of feel like the Navy Omen is what the Omen should have angled towards originally.