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Null sec Carrier Spawns
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Sandrestal
Pakistani Taxi Drivers
#1 - 2013-03-27 13:10:27 UTC
Searched for this but didn't find much. Has there been a nerf on carrier/hauler spawns. Some folk in my alliance (on main) seem to think there is. I rat quite a bit in -1 and -.9 systems and haven't seen any for the last month or 2. Prior to that I found them. So was something changed that I'm not aware of or am I just supremely unlucky?
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-03-27 13:12:17 UTC
this just in: RNG is still R

I should buy an Ishtar.
Sandrestal
Pakistani Taxi Drivers
#3 - 2013-03-27 13:29:48 UTC
Thanks for the clear, concise and wholly understandable reply. Your mother must be proud.
Gryd
Einheit X-6
#4 - 2013-03-27 13:49:52 UTC
And you obviously do not understand probability. I will spare you the mother reference, since its childish and lets you seem like an angry spoiled brat.
Sandrestal
Pakistani Taxi Drivers
#5 - 2013-03-27 14:33:44 UTC
A simple yes they were nerfed, or no they were not would of sufficed. I understand probability quite well. since other people in alliance chat told me there was a nerf I came here to confirm that. As usual I will leave these forums with less knowledge than when I posted. thanks for the help.
Quontor Zarrkos
Island Monkeys
#6 - 2013-03-27 14:43:05 UTC
A while ago with the release of retribution (i think it was retribution, could've been earlier) they removed the extra hauler/faction spawns after downtime. So that may have an impact on the amount of spawns you get if you and your corpmates were used to ratting in belts that were not touched after the downtime of the server.
Sandrestal
Pakistani Taxi Drivers
#7 - 2013-03-27 14:54:23 UTC
Thanks for the reply. I don't know if that pertains to me or not as I usually rat well after downtime. Even going through the belts and killing everything 4 or 5 times does not trigger a spawn. Used to be, not everyday mind, that I would expect something to spawn if I did this over a period of 3 or four days. Been a couple of months and nothing spawns.
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#8 - 2013-03-27 15:18:03 UTC  |  Edited by: seth Hendar
Sandrestal wrote:
Searched for this but didn't find much. Has there been a nerf on carrier/hauler spawns. Some folk in my alliance (on main) seem to think there is. I rat quite a bit in -1 and -.9 systems and haven't seen any for the last month or 2. Prior to that I found them. So was something changed that I'm not aware of or am I just supremely unlucky?

not you, and not random.

all exploration sites have been nerfed with winter expansion, i keep track of them since 1 year+, i still run the same number of site / month( average of 4/day) in the very same area (same lowsec constellation), loot and income reduced by 50/60% since patch.
Kodama Ikari
Thragon
#9 - 2013-03-27 17:35:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Kodama Ikari
seth Hendar wrote:

all exploration sites have been nerfed with winter expansion, i keep track of them since 1 year+, i still run the same number of site / month( average of 4/day) in the very same area (same lowsec constellation), loot and income reduced by 50/60% since patch.


Dude this guy is talking about belt ratting.

@OP if CCP made an unannounced change to the spawn probability, we would never know. As far as anyone is concerned, assuming CCP has made such an unannounced change is at best pointless speculation, and at worst stupid tinfoil hat RNG-is-out-to-get-me silliness. Since no one recalls CCP announcing a nerf, don't expect anything beyond "situation normal; working as intended" as your response.

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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#10 - 2013-03-27 20:53:48 UTC
I don't recall exactly, but I do remember reading something about changes to the spawn mechanics. It reduced the chances of not only carrier/hauler spawns but faction and officer spawns as well. It had something to do with spawns not being reset at down time. Don't remember the details as it was a while back 5-6 months ago I think.
Sandrestal
Pakistani Taxi Drivers
#11 - 2013-03-27 21:18:59 UTC
Kodama Ikari wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:

all exploration sites have been nerfed with winter expansion, i keep track of them since 1 year+, i still run the same number of site / month( average of 4/day) in the very same area (same lowsec constellation), loot and income reduced by 50/60% since patch.


Dude this guy is talking about belt ratting.

@OP if CCP made an unannounced change to the spawn probability, we would never know. As far as anyone is concerned, assuming CCP has made such an unannounced change is at best pointless speculation, and at worst stupid tinfoil hat RNG-is-out-to-get-me silliness. Since no one recalls CCP announcing a nerf, don't expect anything beyond "situation normal; working as intended" as your response.


Perhaps this is why I posted here. I'm not looking for CCP to reply but anecdotal information from other players would indicate something one way or another.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-03-27 21:25:20 UTC
Sandrestal wrote:
Kodama Ikari wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:

all exploration sites have been nerfed with winter expansion, i keep track of them since 1 year+, i still run the same number of site / month( average of 4/day) in the very same area (same lowsec constellation), loot and income reduced by 50/60% since patch.


Dude this guy is talking about belt ratting.

@OP if CCP made an unannounced change to the spawn probability, we would never know. As far as anyone is concerned, assuming CCP has made such an unannounced change is at best pointless speculation, and at worst stupid tinfoil hat RNG-is-out-to-get-me silliness. Since no one recalls CCP announcing a nerf, don't expect anything beyond "situation normal; working as intended" as your response.


Perhaps this is why I posted here. I'm not looking for CCP to reply but anecdotal information from other players would indicate something one way or another.


Anecdotal information is useless for this.
FapFap McLotionhand
Storm Hunters
#13 - 2013-03-28 11:45:07 UTC
Same thing happened to me. I used to make more money in belts than i did in sites. I used to get 1-2 faction spawns a day and 1 hauler every 2-3 days. I was wondering why I hadn't seen one in ages.

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St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-03-28 12:06:22 UTC
Maybe faction rats should drop textbooks on Basic Statistics instead of faction loot...
vyshnegradsky
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#15 - 2013-03-28 15:18:08 UTC
St Mio wrote:
Maybe faction rats should drop textbooks on Basic Statistics instead of faction loot...


No point as apparently they don't spawn anymore...

This one's a bit over the edge guys.

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Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-03-28 16:21:27 UTC
We had been renting in nullsec and noticed that both officers and carrier spawns dropped by about 75% with the winter expansion. This change (along with some corp members unsubscribing) took us from "able to make month's rent in less than 1 week" to "takes more than 3 weeks to make rent".

And yes, I understand statistics - I'm studying for actuarial exams.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-03-28 19:01:38 UTC
Huttan Funaila wrote:
We had been renting in nullsec and noticed that both officers and carrier spawns dropped by about 75% with the winter expansion. This change (along with some corp members unsubscribing) took us from "able to make month's rent in less than 1 week" to "takes more than 3 weeks to make rent".

And yes, I understand statistics - I'm studying for actuarial exams.


So you know in the actuarial world the pool of data you would use is how big?

The problem with all of these threads is you have one person (or even a 0.0 renting corp of 37 members), coupled with, "well my friend heard from this guy..." anecdotal observations trying to drive the argument that something actually changed.
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#18 - 2013-03-28 19:42:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Inkarr Hashur
If any of you understood statistics then you wouldn't be deriding any attempt to gather data offhand like this, because you would understand that a proper sample size is all you really need to determine if there was a high likelihood of the chance of a spawn changing.

Further, this thread can accomplish something even quicker-by gaining attention from a dev for an official comment.

So that's 2 methods of accomplishing something.

edit: Anyway, instead of throwing poo at each other, why don't you just give actual feedback that isn't "RNG is RNG", and either say you've seen no change or work together to see if there was one.
Kodama Ikari
Thragon
#19 - 2013-03-28 22:15:30 UTC
Inkarr Hashur wrote:
If any of you understood statistics then you wouldn't be deriding any attempt to gather data offhand like this, because you would understand that a proper sample size is all you really need to determine if there was a high likelihood of the chance of a spawn changing.


hahahahaha.

Quote:

Further, this thread can accomplish something even quicker-by gaining attention from a dev for an official comment.


oh god im dying here.

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Ginger Barbarella
#20 - 2013-03-28 22:45:19 UTC
It's almost funny how quickly this thread went off the rails... Lol

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