Intergalactic Summit

I do not think that there WAS a viable tactic that the Admiral could have followed. Once the FN decided it was willing to accept the losses (and they were heavy) the Shiigeru was doomed. If she'd split her force to threaten Gallente Prime then she would simply have been defeated in detail.

There are always options, Tuulinen-haan. For instance, why was CN Shiigeru assigned in the mission of low-orbit bombardment in the first place? Orbital strikes with capital-class weapons are hardly precise enough to qualify as surgical, being more akin to saturation bombardment. If that was what was required by the ground forces as orbital support, one wonders why the task was not assigned to a couple of Phoenix-class dreadnoughts. Their firepower would equal that of CN Shiigeru, and the troop projection capability should be quite sufficient, given that a dreadnought can carry between one or two divisions, depending of their being mechanized or infantry ones.

The presence of CN Shiigeru in that mission spot instead suggests that she was chosen for a capability the other ships in her squadron did not had, namely the Oblivion-type superweapon, and it can be safely presumed that it was intended to be used. Even more safely, we can assume that this was part of a set of the Executor's instructions, given that no Fleet Admiral would consider glassing the Homeworld on his own initiative.

However, we all can imagine what the results would have been, had it been fired at Caldari Prime. I do not believe there's any human or capsuleer with any shred of ethics who was not relieved when Admiral Yanala did not activate Oblivion. I will not attempt to discern her reasons, whether hesitation, last-moment doubt, or premeditated act. I can only thank the ancestors that she held her fire.

Maybe the battle would have turned differently had CN Shiigeru assisted her squadron in the fight against the FN instead of being primed for orbital strikes. But that's only one possible scenario. Undoubtedly the squadron's command staff had thought of other alternatives, even better than this one probably, given their superior knowledge of the situation.

Certainly, the 37th Squadron did inflict murderous losses on the enemy. Those are not the matter however. What is important here, is that we saw essential Caldari Navy assets used (and lost) in non-optimal manner at the command of a single person. And to add insult to injury, this person announces an "investigation". How convenient.

I don't think that spreading my example of insulting janitor to members of CEP is a good idea. At least because I have no heard (yet?) about the way meritocracy regulates insulting.
Tibus Heth, who takes a position of Executor in CPD also takes his place in CEP among other megacorporation CEOs. In case of "insulting" or other conflict between members of CEP that they can't solve themselves, there is CBT.


Quinzel Nikulainen, you just showed yourself to me as an ignorant and disgusting person. You have no idea what I do understand and what I do not. I would prefer to just shot you instead of talking to you.


I guess if Heth moves against Reppola, it won't be Heth alone, but all other megacorporate CEOs (maybe with exclusion of Hyasoda). Because lately Ishukone has been acting against everyone else, and this can lead to everyone else act against Ishukone. Of course I see that the Executor will initiate this, but for presenting the case in Tribunal, support of all other CEOs will be invaluable.

The order to use a planet ruining weapon on your State's own world with Caldari citizens on it; if that isn't treason I don't know what is. I didn't know the Caldari sacrificed citizens so readily if it isn't considered a breach of leadership and loyalty.

The fact is, that the citizens were killed only because of gallente attack on blockading force. They didn't die from Caldari guns.

Gallenteans commited the hugest atrocity and mistake in their life. They will pay.

Ms. Kim; the last time you threatened retribution to those who provoked you, I then provoked you. Do you know when I can expect you to come knocking on my door?

Fractal Muse; you speak like a hardened Provist. I'm curious if you've ever worked on behalf of the State. What was your rank in the State Protectorate, if you've assisted us in Black Rise? Failing that, which corporations have you served on behalf of?

For all of the saber rattling we're getting in this discussion, I'd love to see these people act on all of their determination. Even if I disagree heartily with them, well-- take to action, brave pilots! You are, after all, immortal.

No, I have not worked on behalf of the State.

I am just an observer of these events with the same vested interest that all of us have in the political events in this region of space.

Most governments don't allow a citizen to have a gun that can kill millions; and even with us we are on a leash due to CONCORD.

Kim-haani, when an executive orders the officers he assigned on a command to be investigated, and does so publicly, while the State is at war, that can only be detrimental to the morale of the armed forces. By announcing this investigation, the Executor flatly expressed a lack of confidence in the Navy. A Navy that gave a magnificent fight indeed. Ultimately, he should be taking responsibility for the defeat over Caldari Prime, instead of seeking scapegoats.

Guns don't kill peoples. Others peoples do.


Could you please make more direct request (with reference please), so I will look onto it, if I missed accidentally what was on my schedule.


Facts, please.
And it was OUR responsibility for defeat over Caldari Prime, definitely not Executor's. For what happened there it is we and Navy who must be questioned.