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Mens Reppola of Ishukone Should Be Running The State and not Heth

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Kane Spero
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-03-25 15:58:37 UTC
Mens Reppola of Ishukone proves yet again that he's a better man than Heth will ever be. Heth's decision to move the Shiigeru into low orbit cost tens of millions of lives and countless State resources on both the ground and in orbit. Even if the State holds control of Caldari Prime's surface what next? There will be no chance for reinforcements and the CPD will crumble without the necessary logistical support.

The fact that firing the doomsday device on Caldair Prime was attempted disgusts me. At this point though I have no love for Heth or Roden. They both want to kill the clone soldiers of my organization and are more concerned with the ground war then civilians trapped in the devastated Arcurio.

If Heth obstructs the Ishukone forces or the Ishukone Watch in any way he will have revealed himself as the traitor of the State many of us already know him to be.

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Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-03-25 16:08:56 UTC
Kane Spero wrote:
Mens Reppola of Ishukone proves yet again that he's a better man than Heth will ever be. Heth's decision to move the Shiigeru into low orbit cost tens of millions of lives and countless State resources on both the ground and in orbit. Even if the State holds control of Caldari Prime's surface what next? There will be no chance for reinforcements and the CPD will crumble without the necessary logistical support.

The fact that firing the doomsday device on Caldair Prime was attempted disgusts me. At this point though I have no love for Heth or Roden. They both want to kill the clone soldiers of my organization and are more concerned with the ground war then civilians trapped in the devastated Arcurio.

If Heth obstructs the Ishukone forces or the Ishukone Watch in any way he will have revealed himself as the traitor of the State many of us already know him to be.



Why should a Caldari ask a Gallente for permission to do anything on their home planet?

Vile submission.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Kane Spero
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-03-25 16:12:41 UTC
That's because Mens Repola is a true Statesmen and not some vile madman that over and over again shows his utter contempt for ancestral home lands through invasion, subjugation, and genocide.

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Vikarion
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-03-25 16:16:59 UTC
Anyone who claims that one man should be running the State should be re-evaluating his perception of what the State is.
Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-03-25 16:19:17 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:


Why should a Caldari ask a Gallente for permission to do anything on their home planet?

Vile submission.



Ishukone Corporation has long been a pioneer of diplomacy and putting aside pride and enmity to accomplish a greater goal for a greater number of people. If only more in the Federation and the State possessed these qualities.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-03-25 16:19:33 UTC
Kane Spero wrote:
Mens Reppola of Ishukone proves yet again that he's a better man than Heth will ever be.

By this move Mens Reppola just showed weakness by addressing those, who committed crime against the State and humanity.

Kane Spero wrote:

Heth's decision to move the Shiigeru into low orbit cost tens of millions of lives and countless State resources on both the ground and in orbit.

It wasn't the decision to move the Shiigeru into low orbit that caused loss of so many lives, but rather traitorous gallentean attack when the Shiigeru was in low orbit. Just moving ship doesn't cause casualties. Capital ship engagement does.

Kane Spero wrote:

Even if the State holds control of Caldari Prime's surface what next? There will be no chance for reinforcements and the CPD will crumble without the necessary logistical support.

Proper retaliation will solve this problem.

Kane Spero wrote:

The fact that firing the doomsday device on Caldair Prime was attempted disgusts me. At this point though I have no love for Heth or Roden. They both want to kill the clone soldiers of my organization and are more concerned with the ground war then civilians trapped in the devastated Arcurio.

At the moment it was the only option to stop gallente oppression and prevent greater loss of life, that, unfortunately, happened because of gallentean attack.

Kane Spero wrote:

If Heth obstructs the Ishukone forces or the Ishukone Watch in any way he will have revealed himself as the traitor of the State many of us already know him to be.

As far as I know, at the moment majority of directors support Tibus Heth and his decisions. It is the Ishukone, that acts all the time as black sheep, staining dignity of the State.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-03-25 16:20:35 UTC
Kane Spero wrote:
That's because Mens Repola is a true Statesmen and not some vile madman that over and over again shows his utter contempt for ancestral home lands through invasion, subjugation, and genocide.


I imagine most Caldari would think approaching the Gallente Senate on their knees and begging for access to their own home planet constitutes a vile dishonor bordering on the need for an assisted suicide.

As I said, vile submission.

Despite Heth's recent shortcomings the man can hold his head high for trying and not begging, unlike Repola.

Taking what one wants, not asking politely.

And one lost battle, no matter the size, does not a lost cause make. There will be more blood before they are done.

THIS is the time for true State patriots to pick their jaws off the floor, put aside differences, and take what is theirs together.

Or let the Federation have it and go home, and deal with the collective emotional consequences.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2013-03-25 16:29:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelisha
No offence to Mens Reppola, but we don't need another attempt at centralised government. Megacorporate governance requires oversight not centralisation, and we should learn well the lessons of the last ten years, both the five leading up to the formation of the CPD and the five subsequent.

We have a lot of growing to do as a nation, and a lot of tough decisions to make. But I for one will not stand for the perceived failure of a centralised system being used to install another singular figure. The Big Eight represent the only government we need, we endured over a century without centralised government against all the odds, including the constant pressure applied from the Federation. Weakness in this system has allowed the current situation to spiral out of hand, weakness born of greed and discontent.

It is time that we as a people pushed for a return to decentralised, corporate governance, with an emphasis on third party regulation of executive practice, earnings and lateral freedoms. If an individual is to be considered to be the best among peers, he or she should be held to that standard. But never again should one person be considered the best among all Caldari.

All due respect to the Executor, but he has clearly become consumed by the responsibility and crushed under the weight of an impossible position to maintain. Heth is a man who once led from the front, planted the flag for our people on Caldari Prime and provided a beacon in trying times. But he is just a man, a man whose flaws have been wrenched ever further into the public domain by the pressures of maintaining that most fallacious of positions; that he is first among equals.

Whether the Executor steps down is not for us to say, as much as we may vocalise one way or another. But never again should our glorious State be bound to the whim and will of one person.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-03-25 16:35:02 UTC
I believe that while this conflict continues and before we completely secure space around Caldari Prime and make any attack of gallentean invaders impossible, centralised government is more suitable to achieve these goals.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Kane Spero
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-03-25 16:35:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Kane Spero
Aellsha,

I see the wisdom in your words. I agree that corporate governance and the removal and Heth as Executor would allow the State to keep the progress it has gained during these trying times. Honestly, even if Mens Reppola were offered to take Heth's place I'm sure he would refuse.

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-03-25 17:45:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
I have always been fond of Mens Repolla and the Ishukone corporation. During the years I lived in the State, members of the Ishukone corporation welcomed me with open arms into the State and didn't care what my cultural and ethnic background was. As long as I was there, I was one of them in their eyes.

As a Gallente citizen I don't deserve to say much on internal affairs of the State, however I do have my two cents. I don't think the State should be ruled by anyone person, but if it must be that way, Mens Repolla is a great candidate who will restore glory to the State and peace with the Federation.

But still, even if the best man or woman in New Eden was running the State, I still think that power should not be focused on one person, no matter who he or she is.

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#12 - 2013-03-25 20:03:43 UTC
While I understand and appreciate the value given to pride by some of those here who support the State, there is one important detail we must remember:

Just as the citizens of the State have a duty to the State, the State has a duty to its citizens.

With this magnanimous display by Ishukone Corporation, we remind the cluster that the State is aware of its duty, and wishes simply to do its duty to the Homeworld -- de-fanging those vitriolic partisans who would call all Caldari murderers or sociopaths for wishing to defend a rightful claim.

I, for one, am glad that I have worked on behalf of the Ishukone Watch for many years, and will gladly suspend my commission with the Caldari Protectorate to participate in relief efforts.

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Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-03-25 20:05:41 UTC
Chief Executor Mens Reppola's wisdom and integrity are to be honored and serve as examples to all Caldari.

However, the State should not replace one centralized leader with another. The State was formed as a corporate meritocracy, it should be restored to it.

~Malcolm Khross

Toluijin Chagangan
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-03-25 20:49:46 UTC
Seems to me that his request is more a request to pass unhindered through federation space.
Which, given the current political climate is the correct thing to do.

And that 'hide posts' option on this forum is a blessing from the spirits. No more Kim.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#15 - 2013-03-25 20:55:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Xindi Kraid
Silas Vitalia wrote:


Why should a Caldari ask a Gallente for permission to do anything on their home planet?

Vile submission.


We shouldn't have to, because the Gallente should respect our territory just as they would ask us to respect theirs. Unfortunately, that is not the situation, and, regardless of his methods, Mens Reppola is doing his duty to the State by seeking to aid our citizens.

Beyond that, do bear in mind, Caldari Prime is a few jumps into Federation Space, so asking for safe passage is a good idea. For those shortsighted amongst you who want to fight, please bear in mind that cyno jammers are active, so such a proposition involves sub capital fights through multiple systems. Not just Luminaire. That is a logistically unsound plan just to bring aid to an ailing planet.

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If we had to choose a representative for the State Reppola would be a superb choice, but the CPD and the Executor position are a farce, and Heth should take it with him when he leaves. It is not the Caldari way for one group to install its members amongst the megacorporations and hold everyone at gunpoint to agree with the whims of one man. The will of the megacorps should be directing any leader we have, not the other way around.
Valdezi
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#16 - 2013-03-25 21:05:12 UTC
Mens Reppola is one of the few men in the cluster worthy of my service. In a time in which jingoism is rife, he looks the the human cost of our actions. I am proud to work for the Ishukone Corporation.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#17 - 2013-03-25 21:13:47 UTC
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-03-26 02:44:39 UTC  |  Edited by: mynnna
I left the State a long time ago to make my own way, and for much of that time couldn't have cared less about its dealings and politics.

Of course, then I went and got myself promoted, picked up some new duties, and that changed. So, as much as it disgusts me to do so, I find myself having to keep track of this nonsense, these childish going ons in the supposedly civilized regions of space. And, well... let's just say that I don't speak for just myself when I say that Heth needs to go.

Soon.

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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#19 - 2013-03-26 03:48:34 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
By this move Mens Reppola just showed weakness by addressing those, who committed crime against the State and humanity.


Ah, of course, it is Ishukone which shows weakness by acknowledging reality, not Tibus Heth and his Provists that have bled the State dry for five years with an ill-advised war, and a reckless provocation of the Federation that resulted in an embarrassing defeat for his highest-profile bootlicker in the Caldari Navy, one which cost countless thousands of lives not only in space but also on the planet below.

The wisdom of the Provists, here for all to see. Our problem at Caldari Prime was not that the Navy was under the command of an old woman who had sacrificed her loyalty to the CEP to instead cling to relevance as the whore of a loader operator, or placing thugs and untrained legbreakers in charge of keeping the peace on our homeworld, it was that we were not brutal enough to the Gallente. Sure if we had simply bathed Caldari Prime in even more blood, they would have come around to our way of thinking! We must burn the face of our world to save it!

Your kind disgust me, and the lot of you are a joke that has long since worn out its welcome. It is time for the Caldari to abandon this dangerous experiment with centralized government and populist insanity that has poisoned our State for these last five years.

Diana Kim wrote:
As far as I know, at the moment majority of directors support Tibus Heth and his decisions. It is the Ishukone, that acts all the time as black sheep, staining dignity of the State.


Ishukone and Hyasyoda are the only two corporations that have displayed the least bit of sense these last five years, and even that has been shamefully underwhelming. If you want to know who has "stained the dignity" of the Caldari State, look at yourself. You kowtow to an ideologue who has done nothing but destroy what our ancestors built, who won our homeworld back but only at the cost of our very soul, and now we are on the brink of losing even that -- to be left with nothing but an endless sorrow for our lost brothers and sisters. The Winds howl and weep for their children and all we have thrown away.

Look not to the Gallente for who has poisoned our blood. It is the Hethists and their madness that have twisted the State into a shadow of its former self. Only by ending their reign and returning to our principles can we be saved.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#20 - 2013-03-26 04:03:47 UTC
Just ignore Kim. She's proven again and again through her overheated rhetoric that she's nothing more than a genocidal sociopath and xenophobe who would love nothing better than to wipe out the Gallente and Matari. It is indeed her kind of hardcore crazy that's brought the State to its current position not, the Federation.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

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