Intergalactic Summit

Msr. Inhonores, the term 'Occupation' isn't being referred to solely as military.

During the war the Federation offered incentives to Federation citizens to move to Caldari Prime, despite its status as contested territory and Caldari property. I understand and realize the economic implications of such a move, but that doesn't do much to detract from the fact that our Homeworld was offered up to people who did not have a claim to it. This in turn leads us to this common complaint about how the populace is majorly Gallente and that they should 'vote' on its status. The only reason it is so is due to what I, and the State, considers an illegal raffling of land that was not their to give away.

Your correct however, this is way off topic and if you would like to continue the discussion I would happily do so over private comms.

Indeed, were this simply a mathematical exercise, I would most certainly concur.

But wars should not be left to chance. Trusting to statistics was, in essence, gambling with the fate of the billions still living on Caldari Prime. Our President did just that in spite of having a clear opportunity to differentiate our Federation from the State in the minds of the mercenary soldiers.

My assertion is that had President Roden made clear that the Federation welcomes later generations of dropclones and would provide asylum and rehabilitation to the afflicted, he would have "stacked the deck" by encouraging the cloned soldiers to support us in order to support their own long-term self interest.

Acknowledging the dropclones as fellow humans is not only morally right, it was also realpolitik at its finest. Unfortunately, our President has played too much the misanthrope and not enough the leader in recent days.

I'm pretty damn sure that Black Rise is ours to divide. Perhaps you meant Placid?

But it is a fairly stupid comparison anyway. The Blind Auction merely gave the Mega the right to develop and administer areas of Placid that were under State control. The Caldari did not bomb populations from orbit when they had the chance, nor did they drive them from their homes, replace them with Caldari settlers, or even conduct a scorched earth campaign, as the Federation did in Black Rise. So, uh, no, comparing the Mega's administration of conquered Federation systems to the Federation's treatment of Caldari Prime only makes the State look better.

Deepest apologies, I did indeed mean Placid. Rather foolish mistake of mine and I can't imagine why I said Black Rise.

What morale? As far as I remember both the Caldari State and Gallente Federation have denounced dropclone soldiers, the only difference being that the State's insane leader Tibus Heth actively tried to commit genocide on us. Most of us were stuck in between two nations both wanting us gone, and forced to fight a battle where neither side's victory was preferable. Aside the few remaining loyalists on each side, all of us were simply fighting for the side that paid more.

Further yet, while some of us retain their loyalties to their respective empires, most of us are just mercenaries, fighting for the person who paid the most ISK. That doesn't mean we have no morales or princibles, but whatever will to fight for the Gallente you speak of mrs. Myshtana, was long gone before the battle for Caldari Prime even began. As for me, I remined loyal to the Federation until this battle. Both sides have commited atrocities which can not be excused or defended and neither have tried to resolve this issue peacefully, so I can not choose a preference.

Even though this proves more on the fanaticism for some of the dropclone soldiers, there are a few posts here and there that point out our neutrality, especially the fact that people fight for the side that pays more, or both if equal. My view on the majority opinion down here comes mostly from the several discussions I have had with other dropclone soldiers in the Warbarge and mercenary quarters. Most of them concur that they have no strong emotions for either side of the fight, most of them don't even have a clue as to why they were fighting for Caldari Prime in the first place. You can try and talk with a few of them to confirm it yourself.

And thank you, not many really give us respect, when most of the time we are denounced and funded by the same people in secret. Honestly, I think us dropclone soldiers are viewed the same way as the capsuleers were when they first started popping up. They feared you and denounced you, but once time passed people got used to them, and eventually lead to the situation today. In a sense, we dropclone soldiers are the same now as capsuleers were during their early days. Give the public some time and we will, sooner or later, be accepted.


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Well, we still have a lot to work on...

Caldari Prime should belong to the Caldari. However there are Gallente citizens that were born on the planet, effectively making it their home too. You could blame their ancestors for coming to Caldari Prime, but you can't blame them for where they were born.

Gallente citizens were being horribly treated on Caldari Prime, the only way we can ensure that they are treated properly is by eliminating Provist (but not necessarily Caldari) influence on the planet. Once that is done, the federation and good non-patriot corporations like Ishukone can help rebuild the planet for the sake of both of our peoples.

Just so that we are clear, sir,

The only way that Caldari can be given to the Caldari is that they are not patriots and are "good" Caldari?

Is this what you mean to say?

The days of Capsuleer denouncement and fear in secret are not over, I'm faintly sure of that. Last I checked, the door out of my Captains quarters was still locked "for my protection". But this will begin to drift the thread off-topic. Regardless, New Eden as a whole will have to live with it's choices; the creation of Capsuleers, the creation of dropclone soldiers, and the creation of scenarios in which both are allowed and encouraged to wreak destruction in the name of patriotism, faith, and whatever else the collective thoughts of humanity and it's leaders decide to aim us at.