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GEEKS NEEDED! - Titan Falling From the Sky
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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#101 - 2013-03-26 15:08:17 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
so how large is the crater compared to that one in mexico that made the dinosaurs go kaput?
Tiny.
As I asid above - This is not Chicxulub (the K-T Event).


Still bigger than your typical small town, though. Hope the locals had titanium umbrellas*.






*That way, there might be enough tissue left to perform a DNA-check on the deceased.


well if we ONLY take into account of the KE , sure its tiny.
Just a mere 56 megaton of TNT , but what we are ignoring is what will happen to the ship's component?

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#102 - 2013-03-26 15:26:01 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Ivy Romanova wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Grendel Sickswitch wrote:
are people taking into account drag in the atmosphere in their calculations? would a massive object have a large drag acting in opposition to gravity?
For an object that massive, even if not terribly dense, drag will only serve to heat it up - But it won't slow it down appreciably.

I'm entertained by all the folks trying to assign numbers in the absence of really meaningful details. Lol

2M KM^2 is a LOT of land. It's an appropriate approximation, based on all the unknowns - Actual density, fragments, contents of fragments, fires started by debris, shockwave damage and fires secondary to the shockwave, etc.

Chicxulub, this is not.


Do you happen to be a Metero Astrologist lol?

Try adapting this programm for our occasion .
Lets see what would be the realistic effect of such a collision Big smile

One of my favorites. Cool
Problem in this case being - The information required by the detail fields are speculative, at best. ANYthing we fill in will be random speculation, so will produce meaningless results.

What is the acceleration based upon the local gravity field? What is the density of the hull? Orientation? Mass? Initial velocity? What energetic components are present in the falling wreck? What energy densities will they present? How will they impact the various initial conditions as the wreck falls? What is the depth and density of atmosphere? Composition and topology of terrain at ground zero? Flamibility and density of flora and structures surrounding impact zone?

Just not enough information. Simpler and just as accurate to simply take CCP's word for it.


well considering we already have the local gravity field at surface is 7.618 and the radius of the planet.
Kepler pretty much did all the maths for us .
The density can be calculated by dividing the volume over mass .
The mass of leviathan is given .
The orbit radius is already calculated .
The atmosphere depth is know and the composition can be assumed to be Earth like since it can support carbon based life similar to ours.
The terrain is seen to be used to be a mountain range similar to the alps. Which in the programme , Sedimentary rocks has been chosen , however if you ask me I'll say its more on the granite spectrum of things. Ice and rock isn't very flammable . so yeah
The initial relative velocity is zero since .. well... its GEO and some magic caused it to fall back to Caldari prime.

So far , the crater is simply calculated assuming all the KE are transferred into thermal and KE towards the local impact site.
We have NO idea how will tritanium react at that temperature , will they reach critical temperature and fusion?
What happened to the ammo cache?
How will the gravimetric core powered by matter with negative energy density react ?

NOW those , are questions that need to be answered.

Yuo're assuming that the density and mass numbers are accurate. They are at best rough approximations. We do not, cannot know how much mass actually re-entered as one contiguous mass. So the approximations become even more tenuous.

I'll also note that most of the density numbers are suspiciously high, and none have taken into account presentation aspect of the falling hull. IOW, what side was 'down' as it fell? Or was it tumbling? For any given mass, sectional denisty can vary wildly depending on presentation of the projectile. This isn't an undifferentiated ball - It's a roughly rectangular volume. What side hit first?

You're also ignoring the unknowns of the energy sources aboard (weapons, capaciters, accumulation banks, flammable consumables, etc.), and how they'll react to being treated rudely, plus things like break-up in mid-fall, and one that seems to have largely been missed - Crumpling. How much energy has been disapated in the collapse of the hull on impact? This is a major consideration and one for which there are absolutely no numbers.

Nope. Not enough details to even 'SWAG' it with any confidence.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#103 - 2013-03-26 15:27:19 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
so how large is the crater compared to that one in mexico that made the dinosaurs go kaput?
Tiny.
As I asid above - This is not Chicxulub (the K-T Event).


Still bigger than your typical small town, though. Hope the locals had titanium umbrellas*.






*That way, there might be enough tissue left to perform a DNA-check on the deceased.


well if we ONLY take into account of the KE , sure its tiny.
Just a mere 56 megaton of TNT , but what we are ignoring is what will happen to the ship's component?
No one knows. And no one can know - Not enough information.

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#104 - 2013-03-26 15:28:57 UTC


Thats the best I could do with the information I have .
Thats why I needed MOAR GEEKS with their specialties to tell us what would the effects realistically be ?

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#105 - 2013-03-27 02:51:56 UTC
AH_HA!!!!
THE QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED!!

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Pavel Lemmont
ScouT LegioN
#106 - 2013-03-27 03:56:03 UTC
Don't forget that the angular velocity and the inclination entry plays a big factor and you´re not taking in account the atmosphere density volume and also the planet rotational speed , those are extremely important factors to calculate the amount of energy ant the continental crest
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#107 - 2013-03-27 04:05:52 UTC
Pavel Lemmont wrote:
Don't forget that the angular velocity and the inclination entry plays a big factor and you´re not taking in account the atmosphere density volume and also the planet rotational speed , those are extremely important factors to calculate the amount of energy ant the continental crest


Its zero , IF its in GEO
If its not , and its orbiting at sub GEO altitude and wasting fuel , then I have no idea how high it is or what is the relative angular velocity

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