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GEEKS NEEDED! - Titan Falling From the Sky
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Steve Spooner
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-03-26 02:08:30 UTC
What of the fuel, ammo, and the fact that the Titan contains within it a million Gigajoules that will go kaplfumnt.
Grendel Sickswitch
#82 - 2013-03-26 02:41:25 UTC
are people taking into account drag in the atmosphere in their calculations? would a massive object have a large drag acting in opposition to gravity?
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#83 - 2013-03-26 02:47:37 UTC
Well the titan fell in rear end first, the exhaust ports may provide some counter thrust too.

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#84 - 2013-03-26 02:53:35 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Arronicus wrote:
Did noone else notice that op based all his calculations...

on the wrong planet, in the wrong solar system, IN THE WRONG REGION?

Op used New Caldari Prime, of System New Caldari

However, the leviathan crashed on Caldari Prime (Luminaire VII) of System Luminaire

Time to throw out all your calculations OP, and redo them.


Wait wit ??????


NOOOOOOoooooooooo


Lol. Still can't believe noone else noticed.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#85 - 2013-03-26 02:56:06 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
2 MILLION KILOMETERS METER SQUARED OF DESTRUCTION!?


And for the record, two million kilometers is just a we bit more than Mexico.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#86 - 2013-03-26 04:07:57 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
2 MILLION KILOMETERS METER SQUARED OF DESTRUCTION!?


And for the record, two million kilometers is just a we bit more than Mexico.


The largest crater on Earth is no bigger than Texas....

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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#87 - 2013-03-26 04:10:52 UTC
I webbed it before it hit the ground.

That's why the planet didn't break in half.

I'll accept isk as thanks.

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#88 - 2013-03-26 06:39:43 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
I webbed it before it hit the ground.

That's why the planet didn't break in half.

I'll accept isk as thanks.



Your statis webifier failed to act on a super-capital class ship. However, should it have activated, despite not having any noticable effect on the titan, I imagine your ship would have been ripped to pieces.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#89 - 2013-03-26 06:42:39 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
I webbed it before it hit the ground.

That's why the planet didn't break in half.

I'll accept isk as thanks.



Your statis webifier failed to act on a super-capital class ship. However, should it have activated, despite not having any noticable effect on the titan, I imagine your ship would have been ripped to pieces.


well considering the webifier essentially just extended the space time fabric around the ship so the relative distance that it fell is much longer than observed blah de blah de blah blab blah blah.

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Sobach
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2013-03-26 13:03:54 UTC
Here's some statement on the titan by CCP Falcon in the live event channel:

[12:56:29] CCP Falcon > For reference
[12:56:41] CCP Falcon > Half a Leviathan is close to 7km
[12:56:45] CCP Falcon > and it's also hollow
[12:57:06] CCP Falcon > and extremely light weight, in comparison to an asteroid
[12:57:09] CCP Falcon > also, it broke up
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#91 - 2013-03-26 13:07:07 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Gallente ships use magnetometric sensors.


I am pretty sure caldari ships use magentic senros because of the gallente ion cores.

Similar how how minmatar use ladar and amarr uses radar.

/me does ingame lookups... because we know how innaccurate eve-wiki is from time to time.


Caldari ships use gravisomething sensors. o_O

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

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Pantiy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2013-03-26 13:09:33 UTC
nerds gonna nerd
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#93 - 2013-03-26 13:17:18 UTC
It seems to me nobody here reads the news:

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/shiigeru-wreckage-impacts-caldari-prime-surface-situation-unclear-1/

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/widespread-destruction-hampers-caldari-prime-relief-effort/

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/caldari-prime-relief-effort-continues-ishukone-request-access-to-devastated-planet/

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/ishukone-access-to-caldari-prime-approved-full-negotiations-still-ongoing/

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/dust-begins-to-clear-full-extent-of-shiigeru-impact-now-clear/

So, the ship fell apart, wreckage split and showered across an area the size of Mexico, with main part hitting into mountains and still shattering windows and destroying several high rise structures in a city 700 km away, intense atmospheric decontamination of dust particles was going on for three days before the actual situation on the ground could have been assessed, at which point it was determined that the ship actually cracked the planetary mantle where it struck and the site would continue to bur for decades.

I don't know about you, but that sounds about right to me. :)
LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#94 - 2013-03-26 13:28:36 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
hmmm speaking of light speed , here is an interesting thought.
Would you even be able to see the projectile before it hits?

The projectile itself is already travelling at 99.99999999999999% C, light can go no faster .
So when you see it , it already has hit.

Makes you wonder why did they even invent the railgun or are still using missiles.


which is the reason nothing in the game is able to use weapons at those speeds
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#95 - 2013-03-26 14:39:07 UTC
Grendel Sickswitch wrote:
are people taking into account drag in the atmosphere in their calculations? would a massive object have a large drag acting in opposition to gravity?
For an object that massive, even if not terribly dense, drag will only serve to heat it up - But it won't slow it down appreciably.

I'm entertained by all the folks trying to assign numbers in the absence of really meaningful details. Lol

2M KM^2 is a LOT of land. It's an appropriate approximation, based on all the unknowns - Actual density, fragments, contents of fragments, fires started by debris, shockwave damage and fires secondary to the shockwave, etc.

Chicxulub, this is not.

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#96 - 2013-03-26 14:41:45 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Grendel Sickswitch wrote:
are people taking into account drag in the atmosphere in their calculations? would a massive object have a large drag acting in opposition to gravity?
For an object that massive, even if not terribly dense, drag will only serve to heat it up - But it won't slow it down appreciably.

I'm entertained by all the folks trying to assign numbers in the absence of really meaningful details. Lol

2M KM^2 is a LOT of land. It's an appropriate approximation, based on all the unknowns - Actual density, fragments, contents of fragments, fires started by debris, shockwave damage and fires secondary to the shockwave, etc.

Chicxulub, this is not.


Do you happen to be a Metero Astrologist lol?

Try adapting this programm for our occasion .
Lets see what would be the realistic effect of such a collision Big smile

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#97 - 2013-03-26 14:48:55 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Ivy Romanova wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Grendel Sickswitch wrote:
are people taking into account drag in the atmosphere in their calculations? would a massive object have a large drag acting in opposition to gravity?
For an object that massive, even if not terribly dense, drag will only serve to heat it up - But it won't slow it down appreciably.

I'm entertained by all the folks trying to assign numbers in the absence of really meaningful details. Lol

2M KM^2 is a LOT of land. It's an appropriate approximation, based on all the unknowns - Actual density, fragments, contents of fragments, fires started by debris, shockwave damage and fires secondary to the shockwave, etc.

Chicxulub, this is not.


Do you happen to be a Metero Astrologist lol?

Try adapting this programm for our occasion .
Lets see what would be the realistic effect of such a collision Big smile

One of my favorites. Cool
Problem in this case being - The information required by the detail fields are speculative, at best. ANYthing we fill in will be random speculation, so will produce meaningless results.

What is the acceleration based upon the local gravity field? What is the density of the hull? Orientation? Mass? Initial velocity? What energetic components are present in the falling wreck? What energy densities will they present? How will they impact the various initial conditions as the wreck falls? What is the depth and density of atmosphere? Composition and topology of terrain at ground zero? Flamibility and density of flora and structures surrounding impact zone?

Just not enough information. Simpler and just as accurate to simply take CCP's word for it.

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Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#98 - 2013-03-26 14:56:54 UTC
so how large is the crater compared to that one in mexico that made the dinosaurs go kaput?
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#99 - 2013-03-26 15:01:27 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Ager Agemo wrote:
so how large is the crater compared to that one in mexico that made the dinosaurs go kaput?
Tiny.
As I asid above - This is not Chicxulub (the K-T Event).


Still bigger than your typical small town, though. Hope the locals had titanium umbrellas*.






*That way, there might be enough tissue left to perform a DNA-check on the deceased.

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#100 - 2013-03-26 15:07:00 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Grendel Sickswitch wrote:
are people taking into account drag in the atmosphere in their calculations? would a massive object have a large drag acting in opposition to gravity?
For an object that massive, even if not terribly dense, drag will only serve to heat it up - But it won't slow it down appreciably.

I'm entertained by all the folks trying to assign numbers in the absence of really meaningful details. Lol

2M KM^2 is a LOT of land. It's an appropriate approximation, based on all the unknowns - Actual density, fragments, contents of fragments, fires started by debris, shockwave damage and fires secondary to the shockwave, etc.

Chicxulub, this is not.


Do you happen to be a Metero Astrologist lol?

Try adapting this programm for our occasion .
Lets see what would be the realistic effect of such a collision Big smile

One of my favorites. Cool
Problem in this case being - The information required by the detail fields are speculative, at best. ANYthing we fill in will be random speculation, so will produce meaningless results.

What is the acceleration based upon the local gravity field? What is the density of the hull? Orientation? Mass? Initial velocity? What energetic components are present in the falling wreck? What energy densities will they present? How will they impact the various initial conditions as the wreck falls? What is the depth and density of atmosphere? Composition and topology of terrain at ground zero? Flamibility and density of flora and structures surrounding impact zone?

Just not enough information. Simpler and just as accurate to simply take CCP's word for it.


well considering we already have the local gravity field at surface is 7.618 and the radius of the planet.
Kepler pretty much did all the maths for us .
The density can be calculated by dividing the volume over mass .
The mass of leviathan is given .
The orbit radius is already calculated .
The atmosphere depth is know and the composition can be assumed to be Earth like since it can support carbon based life similar to ours.
The terrain is seen to be used to be a mountain range similar to the alps. Which in the programme , Sedimentary rocks has been chosen , however if you ask me I'll say its more on the granite spectrum of things. Ice and rock isn't very flammable . so yeah
The initial relative velocity is zero since .. well... its GEO and some magic caused it to fall back to Caldari prime.

So far , the crater is simply calculated assuming all the KE are transferred into thermal and KE towards the local impact site.
We have NO idea how will tritanium react at that temperature , will they reach critical temperature and fusion?
What happened to the ammo cache?
How will the gravimetric core powered by matter with negative energy density react ?

NOW those , are questions that need to be answered.

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