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Isn't it about time suicide ganking was fixed? (Not removed, just made harder).

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Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#141 - 2011-10-16 00:04:15 UTC
Concord works fine, ganks are part of the game.

Insurance system is flawed. It should be transformed into contract based player driven business model.
Current insurance system pumps too much new iskies to the game and has no real function in the game.

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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#142 - 2011-10-16 00:05:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Anya Ohaya
Xython wrote:
You're supposed to have an escort if you're in a dangerous area.


I had an escort in my hold, but it didn't help.
Vastek Non
State War Academy
Caldari State
#143 - 2011-10-16 00:16:40 UTC
OP,

Yes, changes badly need to be made, as in Insurance terminated for criminal acts. That is all though.

As has been pointed out, Police never arrive before a crime but after, that is the way it should be. I'm not even really sure that increased tanks on mining ships is a good plan (and I say that as someone who uses them from time to time).

And the random suicide gankers here don't like that idea of insurance being cancelled for suicide ganks, as actions have to have consequenceses... I see, oh wait Roll
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Ogi Talvanen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#144 - 2011-10-16 00:20:31 UTC
Vastek Non wrote:

And the random suicide gankers here don't like that idea of insurance being cancelled for suicide ganks, as actions have to have consequenceses... I see, oh wait Roll


Oh yeah i imagined my sec status loss and my ship being blown up by concord. No consequences there at all.
Vastek Non
State War Academy
Caldari State
#145 - 2011-10-16 00:33:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Vastek Non
Ogi Talvanen wrote:
Vastek Non wrote:

And the random suicide gankers here don't like that idea of insurance being cancelled for suicide ganks, as actions have to have consequenceses... I see, oh wait Roll


Oh yeah i imagined my sec status loss and my ship being blown up by concord. No consequences there at all.


As part of a 0.0 alliance you should be really concerned about your security status, honest Roll

And how does having a low security status affect ganking anyway? I have pointed out several times the happy existence of -10 suicide gankers in trade hubs for years.

If you really want to gank someone, why would you let lack of insurance get in the way? And being EVE, as almost everyone likes to say, actions should have consequences, and not just the ones that you like either. Being at least moderately realistic (as can be for a game on internet spaceships) is always a good thing.

Edit: and if you hate your ship being blown up so much, you filthy carebear you, don't break the law?
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#146 - 2011-10-16 00:38:24 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Concord works fine, ganks are part of the game.

Insurance system is flawed. It should be transformed into contract based player driven business model.
Current insurance system pumps too much new iskies to the game and has no real function in the game.


Actually I just realized this suggestion here would let us run insurance scams.

I COMPLETELY SUPPORT THIS.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#147 - 2011-10-16 00:40:02 UTC
Ogi Talvanen wrote:
Vastek Non wrote:

And the random suicide gankers here don't like that idea of insurance being cancelled for suicide ganks, as actions have to have consequenceses... I see, oh wait Roll


Oh yeah i imagined my sec status loss and my ship being blown up by concord. No consequences there at all.


I guess he means that we need to be able to feel the consequences...

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Ogi Talvanen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#148 - 2011-10-16 00:40:48 UTC
So you saying i like being blown up by concord and loosing my sec status? :Not sure if you serious:
Vastek Non
State War Academy
Caldari State
#149 - 2011-10-16 00:46:20 UTC
Ogi Talvanen wrote:
So you saying i like being blown up by concord and loosing my sec status? :Not sure if you serious:


It means very little to the people that do it regularly. Note - prevalence of goon/random threads on how to keep ganking after -5 status. K site and EVE-O.

Also, explain how insurance payouts by high sec companies to those commiting crimes in high sec is in any way realistic.

Exactly. Quoting myself, 'self interest wins the day' wow. And before you say it, yes I have ganked in high sec myself, and it was fun. But insurance payouts are just way out there..
Hecatonis
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#150 - 2011-10-16 00:46:49 UTC
Xython wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
I think changes need to be made...

To the ships. Mining Barges have almost no room for tank..


Why would it? It's supposed to be weak. You're supposed to have an escort if you're in a dangerous area. And with the Goons around, Gallente Ice Fields are a dangerous area.

I'm really sorry your guys' Ice Miner Bot Alts got ganked, but that's the chances you take when you run an AFK Bot.



i dont care if people get ganked, but i have to point out how this post was in error.

escorts only work in places that do not have concord, a full alpha from a handful of BS can take out an ice miner. so you need to take him out before he shoots.

in high sec this will get the escort killed and then BS gankers will then kill the miner.

this is in the gankers favor because they knew they would loose their ship, but now they got an escort killed as well.

this leads to the only option of having a logi escort your ship. and i dont care to figure out what that fit would have to be to stop that.

i think this thread would be better if it read "no viable way to stop ganking in high sec" because there isnt one that i know of.
Ogi Talvanen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#151 - 2011-10-16 00:56:59 UTC
Vastek Non wrote:

Also, explain how insurance payouts by high sec companies to those commiting crimes in high sec is in any way realistic.


No they are not realistic. No company would insure your ship or at least would want big premiums for ships mining in gallente ice belts, going into low sec, null sec, wh, hauling valuable cargo... In game companies dont asses the risk and charge you according to it be it for my suicide ganking or your gallente ice mining. Now if you want insurance companies not to pay me out for suicide ganking i want them to charge you 400% more for mining in dangerous ice belts or invalidate your insurance as soon as you step into ice belt, wh, low sec, null sec etc...
Vastek Non
State War Academy
Caldari State
#152 - 2011-10-16 01:00:48 UTC
Ogi Talvanen wrote:
Vastek Non wrote:

Also, explain how insurance payouts by high sec companies to those commiting crimes in high sec is in any way realistic.


No they are not realistic. No company would insure your ship or at least would want big premiums for ships mining in gallente ice belts, going into low sec, null sec, wh, hauling valuable cargo... In game companies dont asses the risk and charge you according to it be it for my suicide ganking or your gallente ice mining. Now if you want insurance companies not to pay me out for suicide ganking i want them to charge you 400% more for mining in dangerous ice belts or invalidate your insurance as soon as you step into ice belt, wh, low sec, null sec etc...



I like this plan. CCP, when do we get this.
shashe sin
Doomheim
#153 - 2011-10-16 01:20:28 UTC
only thing this game got left is just griefers, dam carebears, bots and ruskies.

Eve is a victim of its own mechanics

deal with it or leave.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#154 - 2011-10-16 01:38:21 UTC
shashe sin wrote:
only thing this game got left is just griefers, dam carebears, bots and ruskies.

Eve is a victim of its own mechanics

deal with it or leave.



This game got left, you say?

Was there a moment when eve had anyhing else, besides griefers, carebears, bots and ruskies?

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#155 - 2011-10-16 01:54:10 UTC
Hecatonis wrote:
in high sec this will get the escort killed and then BS gankers will then kill the miner.


i think this thread would be better if it read "no viable way to stop ganking in high sec" because there isnt one that i know of.


Er, so why would you be sitting there when a bunch of battleships surrounded you and prepared to blast you into space rocks?
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#156 - 2011-10-16 02:29:24 UTC
As an seasoned miner with hands-on experience dealing with suicide gankers (and also participating in a gank), I just have a few things to say.

It's not Concord that needs fixing (nor the insurance). It's you that needs to fix your way of mining. Here are a few things to do.

1. Tank your ship as hard as possible. Even though I can ice mine in a Mackinaw, I prefer to ice mine in a Hulk when I am in the mood as I prefer the safety of its tough defenses.

2. Get a buddy/alt to back you up.

3. Have a series of plans for as many possible scenarios ready so that you know what to do and how to do it to survive.

4. Every time you survive a gank, you have to change your strategies because now the enemy knows what to do the next time they decide to try again.

5. Make sure you save enough ISK to cover your lose in the event you do lose you ship.

Adapt or Die
Sega Phoenix
Doomheim
#157 - 2011-10-16 02:40:43 UTC
I'm so sick of whiners. Really this is why bittervets are so pissed.

If you are getting pushed around then do something about it. Don't come whining to the forums or bitching about this and that. Eve provides us with tools in a sandbox. A very minimum is actually catered. Its up to YOU to make the change NOT CCP.


This is Eve's true beauty get used to it or gtfo no excuses.
im mrmessy
Woolloomooloo Sheep Dip
#158 - 2011-10-16 06:23:28 UTC
L1m9n1663r wrote:


Easy?
Are you kidding?

The cost of this incursion for the goons are immense.
First it is the bounties that comes from ratting taxes.
Then it is the security loss making their pilots more or less useless in empire.
Then it is the standings loss towards multiple factions of NPC's that can never ever be repaired.
Then it is the mind-numbing logistics of keeping the area stocked with ships.
Then it is the 24/7/365 scouting of all the ICE belts and coordination of warp-ins, baiting Concorde and so on.

Personally I think they should take the entire insurance system and just cancel it. No ISK for losing a ship, ever.
I also think they should fix the kill-right / bounty system so that mad miners can put out contracts on people.


Now, how about buffing the rats in empire?
All belts should spawn at least cruiser size rats. I also believe there should be scrambling rats in all 0.7 and below systems.

Also, please remove ICE from high sec, thank you.


bounties from ratting? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. we could fund this even if there was no one ratting from our moon go income,
we don't normally go into empire except to do things like this and kill the occasional capital component bpo research pos. even then, the sec status can be fixed with only a small amount of ratting in 0.0. the standing loss, even if we needed it to run missions (we don't) minimum standings are not required for lvl 1 agents

Supplying ships to hisec is so much easier than null sec as there are no hot drops to contend with, no cynos to move, no fuel needed to fuel the 4 billion isk jump frieghters
Ashra Tesh
Click Red
#159 - 2011-10-16 06:24:38 UTC
I just get mad when those silly concord won't leave my thrasher alone.

I say concord discriminates too much, I just want to give people free ammo! Charity is not a crime!!! T.T
Keno Skir
#160 - 2011-10-16 06:41:15 UTC
Everything seems to already have been said. But i also think insurance payments for suicide ganks should stop, just doesn't make sense somehow. Suicide ganking being such a mainstream easy cash earner kinda takes away from the realism of the game in my oppinion..

I don't want suicide ganking to stop, just be something you have to plan seriously and lose some isk for in the short term.

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