Player Features and Ideas Discussion

In light of how easily the goons have been able to clear gallente space of ice miners, I say the time has finally come to fix suicide ganking. Everybody is too afraid to mine gallente ice in hi-sec. What happend to concord? Oh that's right, concord are all but worthless in this.

I can think of two changes, one of which that should have been made a long time ago.

Insurance needs to be voided if the person dies to concord. Being able to gank targets in hi sec at little to no cost is stupid. Gankers being able to take up insurance so they can get paid to throw away their ships by comitting a crime is also stupid.

Concord needs to be improved, they are supposed to deter ganking from occuring in hi-sec, but they fail at this. I suggest that concord response times are greatly improved. It should still be possible to gank a target, but you'll need more firepower and there's a high risk of concord taking you out before you destroy your target.

These changes won't stop people from ganking each other in hi-sec, but anything that makes it harder will make a huge difference.

Nope.avi

CONCORD provides consequences, not protection.

I think changes need to be made...

To the ships. Mining Barges have almost no room for tank. A fully tanked Hulk with a DCU, Hardeners, Extenders, CDFE Rigs runs close to 30k EHP. If you fully tank it properly it should be designed to be 45-60k. Make it so mining Barges can host a good Shield Tank, Pro:15k, Retty:25k, Covi:30k.

Give these people a fighting chance to tank there ships if they so choose. Same with Industrials and such.

Said consequences are all but meaningless. I was right with what I said, concord is supposed to be a deterance, that doesn't mean they will prevent it from happening, but deter people from doing it. Thanks to insurance and the ease of ganking industrial ships, the current concord does not deter nor provide consequence of any worth.

Buffing industrial ship HP sounds like a good start, why are slow, heavy ships that are designed for industrial activities made of paper? Give mining barges and exhumers a 100% hp increase, or give them more a lot more cpu and grid and a few extra mid slots and a 50% hp increase.

Yes. It's about time suicide ganking is fixed.

It needs to be much easier than it is right now. That way, highsec dwellers learn to shed their illusions of safety and start to fly intelligently.
No, they're not. They're supposed to ensure that aggression costs. They are doing exactly that.

The hope (and that is all it is) among highsec dwellers is that this cost will be enough to keep them from being attacked without some kind of motivation, and that part largely works too. It's just that this hope is easily dashed when the motivations change from involving just plain old loot and start to be about something else…

Definitely agree that people who die to concord should not get an insurance payout upon their death.

But changing the timer? Maybe they could increase the patrols, so that they’re hanging around for a week instead of till downtime after being spawned … with the idea that they shouldn’t need time to arrive to the scene.

That would lessen the incentives to suicide gank people. Bad idea.

Exactly.

I disagree, the purpose for suicide ganking should be to eliminate your opponent, and in rare circumstances you would be able to turn a profit. overall, you should lose a great deal of ISK in the process (depending on target and your ship).

Insurance should be removed for those smacked down by concord.

Fun fact: it does, even with insurance.
So… why should it be disincentivised? And why should it only be profitable under rare circumstances?
Why?