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FINAL DETAILS OF CALDARI PRIME DMZ ANNOUNCED
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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#101 - 2013-04-03 11:30:14 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The Practical Bloc is one of the more politically pragmatic sections of Caldari politics.

Well, yeah. It's kind of in the name.

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Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#102 - 2013-04-03 22:23:42 UTC
It is pleasing to see the Federation president willing to cooperate in this initiative. While I understand the opposition coming from my Patriot kirjuunen, I would suggest that wisdom sometimes requires us to sacrifice our pride and walk with humility. This solution, even if it is only a temporary one, is the most promising solution for both the Caldari and the Gallente and is a major advancement toward a peaceful resolution between our two peoples.

I am pleased that Wiyrkomi saw fit to support this initiative and I stand by the decision of the CEP with pride and honor.

~Malcolm Khross
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#103 - 2013-04-04 10:24:23 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Essentially as the Peace and Order forces were forming up, Templis Dragonaurs appeared and started calling everyone Traitors. Peace and Order refused to stand down at Dragonaur orders. Templis Dragonaurs refused to stand down in turn.

The shooting started soon thereafter, with the Templis Dragonaurs taking the worst of it. Unfortunately there were many capsuleers of dubious loyalty in system who pretended to feelings of partisanship that I'm sure were false in order to engage the Peace and Order ships. To be honest it was a bit of a mess.

Once the dust had settled the Suuvee Freighters emerged and were escorted as far as the Gallente border by the combined Caldari/Concord Loyalist fleets. All those who weren't militia flagged then completed the escort all the way to Caldari Prime and also covered the Freighters on the way home.

There was a huge unaffiliated with the State fleet (hired either by SuVee or just by a random traitor), who were attacking Templis Dragonaurs. Without this huge fleet Templis Dragonaurs would complete the mission successfully. There was another factor, that Caldari Navy didn't send us backup, relaying only on Templis Dragonaurs and loyal capsuleers.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#104 - 2013-04-04 10:30:41 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
There was another factor, that Caldari Navy didn't send us backup, relaying only on Templis Dragonaurs and loyal capsuleers.


That would be because the Caldari Navy is funded by and answers to the CEP. The CPD has limited influence over the actions of the Navy and all of it must be ratified by the CEP.

As the CPD was opposed to the CEP in this regard, the Navy did as duty demanded of it and answered to the rightful authority, the CEP.

~Malcolm Khross
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#105 - 2013-04-04 13:10:36 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Essentially as the Peace and Order forces were forming up, Templis Dragonaurs appeared and started calling everyone Traitors. Peace and Order refused to stand down at Dragonaur orders. Templis Dragonaurs refused to stand down in turn.

The shooting started soon thereafter, with the Templis Dragonaurs taking the worst of it. Unfortunately there were many capsuleers of dubious loyalty in system who pretended to feelings of partisanship that I'm sure were false in order to engage the Peace and Order ships. To be honest it was a bit of a mess.

Once the dust had settled the Suuvee Freighters emerged and were escorted as far as the Gallente border by the combined Caldari/Concord Loyalist fleets. All those who weren't militia flagged then completed the escort all the way to Caldari Prime and also covered the Freighters on the way home.

There was a huge unaffiliated with the State fleet (hired either by SuVee or just by a random traitor), who were attacking Templis Dragonaurs. Without this huge fleet Templis Dragonaurs would complete the mission successfully. There was another factor, that Caldari Navy didn't send us backup, relaying only on Templis Dragonaurs and loyal capsuleers.


Wait, people who attack radical terrorists are traitors now? I must have been asleep when that announcement was made...

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#106 - 2013-04-04 15:55:37 UTC
Mr. Marellus; remember who you're speaking to here. Ms. Kim hasn't been the most stable of pilots, and with Heth's increasing marginalization is likely to become less so.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#107 - 2013-04-04 16:52:58 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Essentially as the Peace and Order forces were forming up, Templis Dragonaurs appeared and started calling everyone Traitors. Peace and Order refused to stand down at Dragonaur orders. Templis Dragonaurs refused to stand down in turn.

The shooting started soon thereafter, with the Templis Dragonaurs taking the worst of it. Unfortunately there were many capsuleers of dubious loyalty in system who pretended to feelings of partisanship that I'm sure were false in order to engage the Peace and Order ships. To be honest it was a bit of a mess.

Once the dust had settled the Suuvee Freighters emerged and were escorted as far as the Gallente border by the combined Caldari/Concord Loyalist fleets. All those who weren't militia flagged then completed the escort all the way to Caldari Prime and also covered the Freighters on the way home.

There was a huge unaffiliated with the State fleet (hired either by SuVee or just by a random traitor), who were attacking Templis Dragonaurs. Without this huge fleet Templis Dragonaurs would complete the mission successfully. There was another factor, that Caldari Navy didn't send us backup, relaying only on Templis Dragonaurs and loyal capsuleers.


Kim-haani, I covered the capsuleer fleet under the apellation "Caldari Loyalists". I don't doubt that there were also many there who were present only for the love of mayhem - and I include the Eve University fleet under that heading - but I think I covered that under 'capsuleers of dubious loyalties'.

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Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2013-04-04 19:26:57 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Essentially as the Peace and Order forces were forming up, Templis Dragonaurs appeared and started calling everyone Traitors. Peace and Order refused to stand down at Dragonaur orders. Templis Dragonaurs refused to stand down in turn.

The shooting started soon thereafter, with the Templis Dragonaurs taking the worst of it. Unfortunately there were many capsuleers of dubious loyalty in system who pretended to feelings of partisanship that I'm sure were false in order to engage the Peace and Order ships. To be honest it was a bit of a mess.

Once the dust had settled the Suuvee Freighters emerged and were escorted as far as the Gallente border by the combined Caldari/Concord Loyalist fleets. All those who weren't militia flagged then completed the escort all the way to Caldari Prime and also covered the Freighters on the way home.

There was a huge unaffiliated with the State fleet (hired either by SuVee or just by a random traitor), who were attacking Templis Dragonaurs. Without this huge fleet Templis Dragonaurs would complete the mission successfully. There was another factor, that Caldari Navy didn't send us backup, relaying only on Templis Dragonaurs and loyal capsuleers.


Kim-haani, I covered the capsuleer fleet under the apellation "Caldari Loyalists". I don't doubt that there were also many there who were present only for the love of mayhem - and I include the Eve University fleet under that heading - but I think I covered that under 'capsuleers of dubious loyalties'.


For your information, the majority of the EVE University Pilots in attendance were under my command, and they were under explicit orders to not engage Peace and Order ships (other than with Remote Armour/Shield Transporters, which I'm sure the POU wouldn't have minded). Mind you, you're absolutely right that there were a number of other pilots out there just looking to cause mayhem where ever they could. There always seems to be a few people with very itchy trigger fingers that wander in at the most inopportune times.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#109 - 2013-04-05 00:52:40 UTC
Grideris wrote:

For your information, the majority of the EVE University Pilots in attendance were under my command, and they were under explicit orders to not engage Peace and Order ships (other than with Remote Armour/Shield Transporters, which I'm sure the POU wouldn't have minded). Mind you, you're absolutely right that there were a number of other pilots out there just looking to cause mayhem where ever they could. There always seems to be a few people with very itchy trigger fingers that wander in at the most inopportune times.


Yes well, I understand that not all fleets can aspire to the highest levels of command and control, but fleet elements under your command engaged one of our units while we were busy with the Templis Dragonaurs. Mind you, that Scherezad, she's just a loose warhead. I'm sure it was HER fault.

At least this time FCORD aggression was accidental, or due to incompetence, I suppose.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#110 - 2013-04-05 00:59:46 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Essentially as the Peace and Order forces were forming up, Templis Dragonaurs appeared and started calling everyone Traitors. Peace and Order refused to stand down at Dragonaur orders. Templis Dragonaurs refused to stand down in turn.

The shooting started soon thereafter, with the Templis Dragonaurs taking the worst of it. Unfortunately there were many capsuleers of dubious loyalty in system who pretended to feelings of partisanship that I'm sure were false in order to engage the Peace and Order ships. To be honest it was a bit of a mess.

Once the dust had settled the Suuvee Freighters emerged and were escorted as far as the Gallente border by the combined Caldari/Concord Loyalist fleets. All those who weren't militia flagged then completed the escort all the way to Caldari Prime and also covered the Freighters on the way home.

There was a huge unaffiliated with the State fleet (hired either by SuVee or just by a random traitor), who were attacking Templis Dragonaurs. Without this huge fleet Templis Dragonaurs would complete the mission successfully. There was another factor, that Caldari Navy didn't send us backup, relaying only on Templis Dragonaurs and loyal capsuleers.


Wait, people who attack radical terrorists are traitors now? I must have been asleep when that announcement was made...

Radical terrorists? Eh?
They were the only loyalists that came to stop SuVee from squandering resources, allocated for war effort. They were doing job for the State, for all of us. Well, since you are not one of us, these noble fighters, who gave their lives protecting interests of the State in unequal fight are just 'radical terrorists'. Should I have expected less from a gallentean, eh?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#111 - 2013-04-05 01:06:29 UTC
Those resources were earmarked for a CEP sponsored relief program for the Homeworld. They were so earmarked by a sovreign corporation - and you had no right to interfere.

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#112 - 2013-04-05 14:00:53 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Wait, people who attack radical terrorists are traitors now? I must have been asleep when that announcement was made...


Yeah, and apparently there's a whole nation of them out there.

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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#113 - 2013-04-05 14:42:58 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Radical terrorists? Eh?
They were the only loyalists that came to stop SuVee from squandering resources, allocated for war effort. They were doing job for the State, for all of us. Well, since you are not one of us, these noble fighters, who gave their lives protecting interests of the State in unequal fight are just 'radical terrorists'. Should I have expected less from a gallentean, eh?

A terrorist group wanted by the State until it just so happens Tibus Heth comes to power -- interfering with a sovereign corporation carrying supplies on a CEP-approved mission...and those are the "loyalists"?

A true loyalist is one who stands for the State and the ideals it was founded upon, and who respects the chain of command as dictated in the charter of the State, not someone who goosesteps along to the orders of a fortunate loader operator.
Toluijin Chagangan
Doomheim
#114 - 2013-04-05 14:45:07 UTC
Something still bothers me.
When were the Dragonaur given a blanket pardon across the Caldari State?
I appear to have missed that little piece of interstellar news.

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One Matari People.
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2013-04-05 14:45:37 UTC
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:

A true loyalist is one who stands for the State and the ideals it was founded upon, and who respects the chain of command as dictated in the charter of the State, not someone who goosesteps along to the orders of a fortunate loader operator.

How do you feel about Ishukone giving away just under half of your home world?
Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#116 - 2013-04-05 17:01:06 UTC
Fractal Muse wrote:
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:

A true loyalist is one who stands for the State and the ideals it was founded upon, and who respects the chain of command as dictated in the charter of the State, not someone who goosesteps along to the orders of a fortunate loader operator.

How do you feel about Ishukone giving away just under half of your home world?

Better than I feel about a know-nothing Minmatar trying to tell me what I should be doing as a loyal Caldari citizen.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#117 - 2013-04-05 17:13:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Anabella Rella
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:

Better than I feel about a know-nothing Minmatar trying to tell me what I should be doing as a loyal Caldari citizen.


What does the fact that she's Matari have to do with anything? That was a bit of a racist comment. If you want to call Pilot Muse a know-nothing due to her ignorance of your culture, fair enough. The fact that she's Minmatar shouldn't enter into the conversation, however.

I'm beginning to think you Caldari are almost as xenophobic and bigoted as your Amarrian allies based on all the crap I've seen spewed over the IGS lately.

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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#118 - 2013-04-05 17:25:27 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
What does the fact that she's Matari have to do with anything? That was a bit of a racist comment. If you want to call Pilot Muse a know-nothing due to her ignorance of your culture, fair enough. The fact that she's Minmatar shouldn't enter into the conversation, however.

I'm beginning to think you Caldari are almost as xenophobic and bigoted as your Amarrian allies based on all the crap I've seen spewed over the IGS lately.

Believing that sovereign entities are entitled to do as their please without outside interference is not "xenophobia," something the Federation and its puppets need to try to grasp. What right does someone who has grown up outside the State, who has never been part of our society, who clearly does not understand our culture, and who is clearly only trying to provoke some sort of response against the Gallente and their Republic allies for what reason I cannot fathom -- perhaps to simply throw the cluster into chaos again as the Republic has done before -- have to tell me what I should do as a Caldari?

The Federation and Republic talk a great deal about freedom, but for some reason it only seems to apply to what they can tell others to do, not actually allowing them to take care of their own affairs. Your own garden is rife with weeds, Captain Rella...perhaps you should tend to it before you and yours tell us what to do with our own.
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#119 - 2013-04-05 17:28:40 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:

Better than I feel about a know-nothing Minmatar trying to tell me what I should be doing as a loyal Caldari citizen.


What does the fact that she's Matari have to do with anything? That was a bit of a racist comment. If you want to call Pilot Muse a know-nothing due to her ignorance of your culture, fair enough. The fact that she's Minmatar shouldn't enter into the conversation, however.

I'm beginning to think you Caldari are almost as xenophobic and bigoted as your Amarrian allies based on all the crap I've seen spewed over the IGS lately.

I don't mind the attitude since it is to be expected from some.

What is curious is the defensiveness of the position. I didn't indicate anything that Svetlana Scarlet should be "doing as a loyal Caldari citizen" I merely asked a question as to how they were feeling about the current situation.

To repeat the question since it seems that they may have misunderstood:

Fractal Muse wrote:

How do you feel about Ishukone giving away just under half of your home world?
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#120 - 2013-04-05 17:35:38 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:

Better than I feel about a know-nothing Minmatar trying to tell me what I should be doing as a loyal Caldari citizen.


What does the fact that she's Matari have to do with anything? That was a bit of a racist comment. If you want to call Pilot Muse a know-nothing due to her ignorance of your culture, fair enough. The fact that she's Minmatar shouldn't enter into the conversation, however.

I'm beginning to think you Caldari are almost as xenophobic and bigoted as your Amarrian allies based on all the crap I've seen spewed over the IGS lately.


With all due respect Rella,

You cannot in one breath accuse Scarlet-haani of inappropriately bringing race into the equation and then turn around and do the same yourself. She indicated the race of one pilot, you took the race of one pilot and then applied her attitude and demeanor to that pilot's entire race.

~Malcolm Khross