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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#21 - 2013-03-27 17:52:39 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Earth and the humans on the other side of the EVE Gate are either extremely advanced or completely extinct. Both extremes would just not feel right for the setting of this game.

They could also be less advanced than us, they were using New Eden for natural resource and the 50 years building of Stargates indicated a high demand for raw materials on the Terran side. In theory like on this side they could have collapsed and had to rebuild, maybe taking longer, maybe taking less time. Closest things to the Terrans we have are from Issue one of EON.

I got the whole stack of magasines a few weeks before they announced the end of EON Cry.

The story about a last group of Terrans who knew everything about what had happened stuck on a moon in orbit of a gas giant. They lost FTL capability and send out the last of their people in a hollowed asteroid generation ship towards the nearest Empire, the Caldari. Drifting into Caldari space sending out hails, the Caldari pilots noticed that they were in a rich Dark Ochre asteroid generation ship....

There was a teddy bear from a little girl watching it all that got jammed in the refinery back at the station.

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Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-03-27 22:58:30 UTC
Dex Tera wrote:
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
For all intents and purposes, Earth is a myth. According to the backstory, the races of New Eden aren't even sure if they really have a common ancestor, much less actually know they're from the same point of origin.

How would Earth look? Who knows, Jove are the most advanced existing civilization of New Eden and they practically wiped themselves out because they played gods with their own genetic makeup. There were other advanced races about even in New Eden and in particular in the wormhole space, yet they also vanished / were wiped out. Or Milky Way could have gone the way of New Eden, splitting into factions, warring against eachother, while technologically progressing leaps and bounds beyond current technology levels. Or... you get the point.

Besides, it doesn't matter. I'd much rather learn about Tekhmal, Talocans, Jove or the ancient history of the existing factions. Who knows what else New Eden may be hiding?


sry but WRONG try again the history of the eve gate and the source of the 5 major races is well known and documented also the fact that via genetics its would be quickly known that they all share a common ancestry ffs we as humans in the rl have already found this out about our current race with our current tech


According to this, common origin is just a theory and not an accepted fact:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Earth#Common_Origin_Theory
Oreb Wing
Last Rites.
#23 - 2013-03-30 04:46:50 UTC
It's not impossible to tie in the story-lines and have them all comprehensible, but, as i've seen it, very hard to do unless you tinker a little bit with the back-story and play conspiracy games with lore and Concord. I think i'll have fun with this idea, as every time i see an expansion come, I really imagine the possibility and potential force that the ideas could have on our game. Alas, one could dream...


http://orebwing.blogspot.com/

Old post that needs work is a little lost. I'll find it and maybe continue that and this. It was a fun project, attempting to tie all 3 games together.
Oreb Wing
Last Rites.
#24 - 2013-03-30 05:24:00 UTC
So given it's possible lore-wise, how about me mechanically? Easy. How about you allow the transition to commit an Eve character that jumps over to the Milky Way indefinitely. That means no coming back. No clone reactivation if you die. Disable neuts and ewar with some generic physics jargon and enjoy the most hardcore Eve mode that could exist. Listen to people cry about 10year old accounts and consider letting toons reanimate at the clone's SP level at the moment of translation. Allow only capital class vessels to activate a wormhole that only appears during a class6 connection to the Eve gate node that spawns a temp connection to the other side. A true Odyssey.
Alexander Bjorvisk
Dynamic Solutions Incorporated
#25 - 2013-04-03 22:39:47 UTC
You do realize the EVE Gate is not capable of taking back people to earth anymore?

The reason society built itself up in New Eden is because they were not able to go back anymore so there was no other choice but to adapt.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#26 - 2013-04-04 05:32:39 UTC
Thats the theory, but in practice from the Jovians mind dump in Templar One it implies that the Jovians (granted the least advanced at the time) could barely go faster than light when expanding into New Eden. Moving from this I'm reading that in some ways New Eden has some more advanced tech than the Terran side, particularly in propulsion (at the time of the cutoff, for instance we were around 100-200 years off of Edison level tech during the Roman Empire). 1AU/s is equal to just a shade under 500c. Scale this up, include acceleration to warp and capacitor recharge (I got bored once) and we scale up to around 15 years to go from one side of the Milky Way to another assuming we use the old value of 100kly diameter.

Anyone want to bet the Jovians haven't sent out probes to all the corners of the local group of Galaxies (yes, intergalactic travel) in the Eons that have been floating around for?

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James cliford
Helix Initiative
Pretenders
#27 - 2013-04-04 11:13:57 UTC
Alexander Bjorvisk wrote:
You do realize the EVE Gate is not capable of taking back people to earth anymore?

The reason society built itself up in New Eden is because they were not able to go back anymore so there was no other choice but to adapt.

the eve gate was a wormhole a worm hole can reopen
Paladinhunt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-04-04 22:19:23 UTC
Denak Calamari wrote:
If the wormhole would open again and let us in, the following options will happen:

A. Earth and the entire Milky Way galaxy is deserted after all the resources have been depleted, resulting into the extinction of humanity or recolonizing to another galaxy with the technology they accumulated in 16,000 years.
B. Earth and the entire Milky Way galaxy is at war, using weaponry and technology even an armada of Titans could not match. Entering Earth would mean very swift destruction.
C. Earth and whatever is left off the galaxy come back to New Eden to reclaim it, which would result to our very swift destruction.

In my opinion, I don't want any of these happening.




I would like to see the idea open, To the see the Milky Way as a wasteland of sorts and near all uninhabitable could be a stunning scan gameplay expansion opportunity both storyline wise (ie what happened after the close of the gate) and other stuff we might think to be cool in terms of in-game use.
kukki Zhu
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#29 - 2013-04-05 07:32:21 UTC
This mystery will stay beautiful only while it is a mystery. No matter in what way this would be introduced, whatsoever, it would be horrible.
Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#30 - 2013-04-05 07:50:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tavin Aikisen
Dex Tera wrote:
[quote=Caitlyn Tufy] we as humans in the rl have already found this out about our current race with our current tech


That's because we have pretty large fossil record to refer to and can see any signs of divergence in the real world.

Each race in EVE would check their record and find it suddenly ends on their home world in most cases. There'd be NO mitochondrial "Adam" or "Eve" to refer to. They'd simply find similarities in DNA and other genetic material between races and that's it.

We can trace our real world history to places in Europe and Africa because we have migrated from there. In-fact there are fossils where every person in the world is essentially linked to. However if those links are cut (those fossils never found) each one of us could be a very different species that evolved parallel to one another.

"Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home."

-Cold Wind
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#31 - 2013-04-05 16:40:37 UTC
Denak Calamari wrote:
If the wormhole would open again and let us in, the following options will happen:

A. Earth and the entire Milky Way galaxy is deserted after all the resources have been depleted, resulting into the extinction of humanity or recolonizing to another galaxy with the technology they accumulated in 16,000 years.
B. Earth and the entire Milky Way galaxy is at war, using weaponry and technology even an armada of Titans could not match. Entering Earth would mean very swift destruction.
C. Earth and whatever is left off the galaxy come back to New Eden to reclaim it, which would result to our very swift destruction.

In my opinion, I don't want any of these happening.


That's most unfortunate... because one of them will.
Oreb Wing
Last Rites.
#32 - 2013-04-07 15:01:11 UTC
Have any of you fellas read into any of the Warhammer 40,000 series? There are multiple authors. One in particular stands out to me now by the title, Hell's Reach. It had a space battle and a ground war going on simultaneously. It was pretty bad ass, but 40k has had a long time to formulate back history and content. I guess we'll see.
Denak Calamari
Incorruptibles
#33 - 2013-04-08 14:19:14 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Denak Calamari wrote:
If the wormhole would open again and let us in, the following options will happen:

A. Earth and the entire Milky Way galaxy is deserted after all the resources have been depleted, resulting into the extinction of humanity or recolonizing to another galaxy with the technology they accumulated in 16,000 years.
B. Earth and the entire Milky Way galaxy is at war, using weaponry and technology even an armada of Titans could not match. Entering Earth would mean very swift destruction.
C. Earth and whatever is left off the galaxy come back to New Eden to reclaim it, which would result to our very swift destruction.

In my opinion, I don't want any of these happening.


That's most unfortunate... because one of them will.


Maybe, but the phrase: "Too soon", would be appropriate in this situation, at least on the options B and C. I admit, it would be interesting to see what happened to the Milky Way galaxy after the wormhole collapsed, but sometimes ignorance is a bliss. I'm not saying that it should never happen, but I would rather see it as the final end-game for EVE before it shuts down as people have been suggesting.

Although, I like the Jovian theory about sending probes to other galaxies, maybe in the next expansion CCP can give us clues about the Jovians and possibly Terrans themselves.
Lendwill
FREE BURRITO LTD.
#34 - 2013-04-11 23:41:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Lendwill
Personally I have my own theory about the wormhole.

The wormhole never collapsed on the Terran side, but advanced 20,000 years in an instant. On the Eve side it would seem closed because due to time being out of synch between the two sides. Any matter going through the gate at the time (like for instance the ship that caused the collapse in the first place...?) would be atomized. The result would be that the time-stretched remnants of that matter would manifest as the radiation that prevents anyone from approaching the gate.

Some time in the perhaps-near future time on both sides with align again, and Terrans will start pouring through the hole - the same overcrowded Terrans from 20,000 years ago who are roughly at our level of technology and are desperate for new space...

I also speculate that these Terrans have the same population as the Eve cluster but are restricted to perhaps 10 star systems or less. This could be due to stargates not working as well (or at all!) in a galaxy with trillions of gravitational forces + one massive super black hole compared to Eve with it's mere 5,000 stars...
Douglas Grolobar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-04-15 18:51:49 UTC
They could play it smart though. Have the milky way be mostly empty, but lots of ruins of the past civilization, finding dark clues about how we killed ourselves.
Maximus Hashur
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-04-15 20:19:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Hashur
I dont know, i think it could be an interesting idea. True, the Earth based civilization could be much more advanced by a few thousand years, or it could be recovering from a fall of its own doing. There are lots of ways the writers could reintroduce the homeworld and its space to the New Eden world. It would not automatically mean problems for New Eden, just a new path for the game to take. Imagine a whole new set of races, maybe 2-3 more (based on drift over the past 16K years in Earth space), and ships with other technologies.

It stands to reason that a lot of the tech would be similar. The laws of physics are the same no matter where you are - at least as far as im lead to believe by the in game rules. (And yes i know its more like piloting a submarine than a space ship with the responsiveness)

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Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-04-16 18:31:09 UTC
Krell Kroenen wrote:
Che Biko wrote:
How come Twilight vampires became the only kind of vampires some people can think about? Did they brainwash themselves by watching the Twilight movies too many times?


Or maybe people don't like vampires because werewolves are better and thus use the most unflattering examples of them they can think of. Not saying that emo vampires who weren't given enough attention by their parents when they were growing up are much better but meh I digress.


Don't worry. Netflix is coming out with an emo-warewolf series very soon.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Per Bastet
B.O.O.M
#38 - 2013-04-18 19:19:03 UTC
James cliford wrote:
Alexander Bjorvisk wrote:
You do realize the EVE Gate is not capable of taking back people to earth anymore?

The reason society built itself up in New Eden is because they were not able to go back anymore so there was no other choice but to adapt.

the eve gate was a wormhole a worm hole can reopen



Just a Small Correction - The Eve Gate as Built to Keep the Wormhole Open beyond it's Natural Life Span. As Stated here on the forums and in some parts of the lore the gate on the other side was called Adam.

When the Wormhole Overloaded (from being held open way beyond it's normal life span) it caused the Eve gate to overload and Basically dropped a electromagnetic pulse that leap frogged from gate to gate and wiped out all the real Tech that had come through.

Hence the Dark Ages we had.

"Whether the paranoid conspiracy theory community has had a separate trial process and decided other crazy batshit insane garbage was true I can't attest to as I don't subscribe to that mailing list and instead deal in the realm of fact."  - CCP Sreegs, 2013
MItchell Jensen
The Black Widow Company.
#39 - 2013-04-18 20:21:26 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Keitunen Eto wrote:
No.


No.

CCP Dropbear: rofl

edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Zepher Reload
Universal Super-Corporations
#40 - 2013-05-02 09:46:59 UTC
Everyone iv been seeing talking about Earth and the wormhole and the tech being so advanced, well who's to say its not a time hole and nothing much has really changed back home then they would get away with it and not make it over powered.

Say only a hundred years r so has past for earth. Same lvl of tech, just diffrent ships and diffrent weapons.