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Call to nations to unite against Federation villany

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#141 - 2013-03-28 19:07:34 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Mr. Ixiris, it may simply be best to ignore Ms. Kim. I fear to do otherwise feeds the fire, however much we'd like to reform her to a more moderate, considered, nuanced view of the world.

Kim shuts up - we're all happy.
Kim talks - she continues to make the Provists look bad, and push other Caldari further away from herself.
Kim reforms herself - the world is a better place.

I literally can't lose! All the outcomes are good.

Poor thing. Lose in what? :D
Do you mean by "lose" becoming a respectable person?
Do you mean by "lose" stopping spreading lies?
Or just gain some intelligence?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Anslo
Scope Works
#142 - 2013-03-28 19:14:35 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Anslo wrote:

I don't do drugs. Ask any of those you may respect who know me. Same with holoreels. I prefer to live life.Your baseless argument presents no evidence.

If you don't do drugs and don't watch these brainwashing gallentean propaganda (or just their holomovies), then tell me, what can turn a young promising gallentean kid into such a douche?


This is the culmination of your argument? Referring to an individual who states facts drawn from your poor behavior as a ...'douche?'

This is how you, a so called loyal citizen, refute your claims?

Does your CO know you're even ON IGS speaking as a Citizen and talking down to your own people?...

Not just that, but you go from saying ALL Gallenteans are scum to referring to me as promising and young?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2013-03-28 19:16:37 UTC
Kim, do you genuinely think your misinformed rants are actually endearing you to any Caldari? Do you genuinely think the things you say are rational and reasonable? Have you noticed the considerable scarcity of State capsuleers who genuinely respect you? Have you noticed, in short, that almost no-one agrees with nearly anything you say?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#144 - 2013-03-28 19:24:17 UTC
Anslo wrote:

This is the culmination of your argument? Referring to an individual who states facts drawn from your poor behavior as a ...'douche?'

This is how you, a so called loyal citizen, refute your claims?

Does your CO know you're even ON IGS speaking as a Citizen and talking down to your own people?...

Not just that, but you go from saying ALL Gallenteans are scum to referring to me as promising and young?

Argument? Where did you see argument here? I am just shooing away two angry gallentean kids.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Kim, do you genuinely think your misinformed rants are actually endearing you to any Caldari? Do you genuinely think the things you say are rational and reasonable? Have you noticed the considerable scarcity of State capsuleers who genuinely respect you? Have you noticed, in short, that almost no-one agrees with nearly anything you say?

This only means that you didnt read what I been writing, even further displaying your ignorance. Go ahead.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Anslo
Scope Works
#145 - 2013-03-28 19:28:55 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Argument? Where did you see argument here? I am just shooing away two angry gallentean kids.


Most people regardless of race would jump to defend their merit in an argument when it comes into question and so many facts are stated against said merit.

So you confirm that you are indeed not arguing against the claim I have brought up against you in regards to your demand for respect, of which you do not deserve, and simply admitting its truth? That is, that you are indeed undeserving of respect you so demand, as further shown in your continued inflammatory posts?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#146 - 2013-03-28 19:44:20 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Argument? Where did you see argument here? I am just shooing away two angry gallentean kids.

Except, from the amount of invective you're throwing (which is something you've repeatedly criticised others for doing), you're the one that's getting angry.

Diana Kim wrote:
This only means that you didnt read what I been writing, even further displaying your ignorance. Go ahead.

So does this mean you have noticed the fact that almost no Caldari capsuleers have the slightest shred of respect for you?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#147 - 2013-03-28 19:47:33 UTC
Anslo wrote:

Most people regardless of race would jump to defend their merit in an argument when it comes into question and so many facts are stated against said merit.

So you confirm that you are indeed not arguing against the claim I have brought up against you in regards to your demand for respect, of which you do not deserve, and simply admitting its truth? That is, that you are indeed undeserving of respect you so demand, as further shown in your continued inflammatory posts?

Defending own merit would be acceptable against real accusations.
Boosting own merit for no reason is not a merit.
I told him once, where he was not right, attacking me. But he can't understand, I guess just his intention was to just insult. Why should I argue with it? Really?
I do not intend to show off because of some low life makes stupid lies about me. He has neither actual power, nor sense for me to be affected.
Well, somehow i switched to him, but same goes for you.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#148 - 2013-03-28 19:49:07 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:

Diana Kim wrote:
This only means that you didnt read what I been writing, even further displaying your ignorance. Go ahead.

So does this mean you have noticed the fact that almost no Caldari capsuleers have the slightest shred of respect for you?

No, it only means you can't read.
Or comprehend.
Or both.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Anslo
Scope Works
#149 - 2013-03-28 19:56:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Diana Kim wrote:
Defending own merit would be acceptable against real accusations.

There are real accusations. I will spell it out for you once more.

Your comments and inflammatory nature show that you do not have the merit to demand respect from your rhetoric or from anyone outside of your military division. These evidence could been seen in any number of threads you have started along with the interactions you've engaged in with all capsuleers, Caldari and all.

To say these are not real accusations is to not only strip you of any credibility, but potentially a victim of capsuleer dementia. In which case, I pity you and hope you get the medical attention you need.

Quote:
Boosting own merit for no reason is not a merit.

There is no boosting. There is only your lack of proving you are worthy of merit by providing evidence to the fact. To show your merits at this point would be proving me wrong. So far, you are not.

Quote:
I told him once, where he was not right, attacking me. But he can't understand, I guess just his intention was to just insult. Why should I argue with it? Really?

Because you demanded respect of him when you've nothing for him to respect, let alone anyone to. He may have insulted you and that is ...your own business. But when YOU of all people demand respect? I must interject.

Quote:
I do not intend to show off because of some low life makes stupid lies about me. He has neither actual power, nor sense for me to be affected. Well, somehow i switched to him, but same goes for you.


They are not lies. They are facts. Recorded, indisputable, unmodified facts that anyone can look up. Whether it is his statement or mine regarding your lack of merit to deserve respect, it matters not.

You deserve none. You have proved yourself deserving of none. What's more, you have proven yourself, without a shadow of a doubt, that you suffer from capsuleer dementia. No one would throw out all credibility of their being otherwise.

I do hope your CO takes you off duty to address this medical issue. Until such time, you have no credibility, nor merit, to deserve being taken seriously, let alone attempting to speak on behalf of the State (which you clearly don't given your 'beliefs').

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#150 - 2013-03-28 20:06:04 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Defending own merit would be acceptable against real accusations.

There are real accusations. I will spell it out for you once more.

Your comments and inflammatory nature show that you do not have the merit to demand respect from your rhetoric or from anyone outside of your military division. These evidence could been seen in any number of threads you have started along with the interactions you've engaged in with all capsuleers, Caldari and all.

To say these are not real accusations is to not only strip you of any credibility, but potentially a victim of capsuleer dementia. In which case, I pity you and hope you get the medical attention you need.

Real accusation means they come from a merited authority, who has both experiense, wisdom and power. Real accusation follows by evidences and witnesses. Real accusations are confirmed or refuted by judges.

And rants of a demerited gallentean child under no circumstances should be considered as real accusations.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2013-03-28 20:11:54 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
No, it only means you can't read.
Or comprehend.
Or both.

You keep saying this, but you don't actually provide any evidence for it, insisting that it's "obvious." You go round and round in circles pretending that simply refusing to answer equates for substantiative support to an argument. It doesn't.

Your arguments are hollow, your intuitions are void and you have no evidence to support the various assertions and inferences you make, and yet you still demand respect as if it's something that you've done anything to earn.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#152 - 2013-03-28 20:13:17 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
No, it only means you can't read.
Or comprehend.
Or both.

You keep saying this, but you don't actually provide any evidence for it, insisting that it's "obvious."

Choose one or you can try to suggest another explanation of your ignorance, if you feel comfortable.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Anslo
Scope Works
#153 - 2013-03-28 20:13:39 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Real accusation means they come from a merited authority, who has both experiense, wisdom and power. Real accusation follows by evidences and witnesses. Real accusations are confirmed or refuted by judges.

And rants of a demerited gallentean child under no circumstances should be considered as real accusations.


If you're really going to play this game then, I'll play with you.

As we are both not of the same military and are debating regarding who has the merit to judge who's credibility to debate. So, I submit the following evidence;

(1) Please notice that, since the beginning of this dialogue between us, your commentary has received no backup from your fellow kirjuun. In fact, one even suggested to Msr. Ixiris to simply ignore you as you are indeed hopeless. Aside from that, nothing.

(2) When your kirjuun do speak to you, it is admonishing your beliefs, upon which you slander them as anti-State for not sharing your extremist views in regards to the CPD's policies, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary of Heth's policies being effective. Of which we are now seeing on the planet Caldari Prime...sadly.

In comparison, the same kirjuun who admonish you have conversed with me. I learn. I listen. I understand what the being Caldari is about and respect their choices even if it does not make sense to me and I continue to speak out against extremism in my own Federation to curb it, as it helps nothing. This have provided me merit as a level headed individual in terms of providing rhetorical commentary on the topic.

You, as stated above, do not.

(3) You misunderstand meritocracy in the State. It is not always judges and witnesses. It is action, plain and simple, followed by judgement by your comrades. You have been judged. You have been found lacking by them as well as others.

To continue to deny this fact is further proof of your degrading mental state, Kim.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#154 - 2013-03-28 20:14:35 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:

Your arguments are hollow, your intuitions are void and you have no evidence to support the various assertions and inferences you make, and yet you still demand respect as if it's something that you've done anything to earn.

And now... look in mirror.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#155 - 2013-03-28 20:17:34 UTC
Anslo wrote:
rants

Real accusation means they come from a merited authority, who has both experiense, wisdom and power.
Real accusation follows by evidences and witnesses. Real accusations are confirmed or refuted by judges.

And rants of a demerited gallentean child under no circumstances should be considered as real accusations.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#156 - 2013-03-28 20:48:34 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:

Your arguments are hollow, your intuitions are void and you have no evidence to support the various assertions and inferences you make, and yet you still demand respect as if it's something that you've done anything to earn.

And now... look in mirror.

And I see something quite unlike that.

Try again. Try harder.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#157 - 2013-03-29 06:56:15 UTC
*taps a console lightly, frowns at thread*

This is still going on? If it does not devolve into the sounds of artillery soon, it will certainly become the ravings of madmen (if it hasn't already), on every side. 'I ain't even mad' wouldn't even apply as an excuse anymore. There's a very cruel metaphor involving ball kicking that the entire thread has devolved into.

For the sanctity of anyone' reputation they should bow out now worry about the last words, and though those may be the ones echoing the loudest and longest in the end, at the moment, it's all boiled down to the playground cries of who is a bigger poo-poo head.

I'd say sort it out in space but I've already read how that turns out and, in fact, know more than I ever wanted to ever know, ever, about people I have never met.

"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.  And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."

Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#158 - 2013-03-29 14:24:09 UTC
No offense to anyone involved, but reading this thread evokes an image of solitary cleaning drone repeatedly butting itself over and over against a poorly made legless sofa whilst desperately trying to sanitize the carpet underneath.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2013-03-29 14:47:09 UTC
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
No offense to anyone involved

"No offense to anyone involved, but I'm going to offend anyone involved."

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#160 - 2013-03-29 15:40:35 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
No offense to anyone involved

"No offense to anyone involved, but I'm going to offend anyone involved."


...You're right, I suppose that was a little disingenuous. Fine, then, I'll speak my mind; You are engaging in an utterly pointless discussion, mister Ixiris. Kim-haani, by some incredible feat, seems to somehow care even less about your opinion then you do about hers. She is obviously not interested in engaging you on any sort of intellectual level (If such is even something she is capable of). Yet you persist for reasons that frankly utterly escape me, picking at her every point, and I'm not sure you realize how ridiculous it looks.

You've insisted repeatedly that her every word exposes her as an imbecile to all the people reading, but in truth, arguing with her only lowers you to her level. You attack her personality, attack her reputation, attack her lack of a social circle... All the while relentlessly boasting of your own accomplishments and achievements. It is akin to a schoolyard bully desperate to injure a rivals ego. She might appear an stubborn, self-absorbed idiot to anyone reading, but let me tell you as an outside observer, sir, that you are not look so far from her as you might think.

And by the way - You'll forgive me if, considering the pseudo-nihilistic diatribe you saw fit to send my way the other day in response to my apparantly vain effort to engage with you as a human being and mend our disagreement, I don't feel paticularly concerned about offending you, mister Ixiris. After all, it was you who suggested to me that being polite was the work of fools, no?